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1939 Coleman G-55 Offered for Sale

(I have no interest in this sale beyond simply trying to ensure that Coleman survivors find a good home.)

Jeff Thain of Strasburg, Colorado has just recently decided to place his 1939 Coleman G-55 up for sale.

The following is his posting:
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1939 Coleman G-55 Serial #4751 flatbed truck with a BUDA-L525 engine, dual rear wheels, front axle is C-375 axle and the Coleman hub simply has a adapter for Budd wheel. Accompanied by a 1978 State of Wyoming Title. Truck did run when put into building in 1980. I really do not have any further information on this truck. $6500, or best offer.  Jeff Thain can be reached at 303-829-6220, and the truck is located in Strasburg CO. 
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>> UPDATE:  I am now hearing from one of my very-experienced Coleman restoration guys indicating that engie may not be a "BUDA L525," but perhaps a different BUDA engine series.  Confirmation is still pending.
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  • Significantly, the brass Coleman data plate is still mounted high in the passenger side corner of the cab, thus fully validating the model, chassis serial number and  year. 
  • The chassis is largely "as built," with the exception of the bed perhaps being replaced with a makeshift flat bed, and in later years, it was apparently used as a "boom" truck.  Also, an improvised rear bumper has been added, but for the "purest," it could be easily removed. 
  • As background, the G-55 series (first offered in 1938) replaced the previous E-series trucks, with the major difference being going from "narrow tread" (56" to fit the wagon ruts in mining trails and such) to now offering "standard tread" on all trucks. 
http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/3b879773-4c40-4910-93a8-cb32.jpg

Forward 3/4, driver side...

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/8b4ea0bb-d521-4377-a0ce-a473.jpg

Forward 3/4, passenger side...

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/56431e0f-8fef-4348-a684-ce87.jpg

Rear 3/4 driver side..  The boxes of spare parts are not relevant to the Coleman and are not part of the sale. 

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/9fa7272f-a6bd-49f3-a94c-9aef.jpg


Rear view... Note the added rear bumper.

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As was often the case on early G-55s, the Coleman hubs sometimes came fitted with an adaptor for Budd wheels.

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/bfb02d4c-1b17-4852-a8b4-4c91.jpg 

Original brass Coleman data plate is still mounted in the cab.  Although difficult to see in this photo, the data plate blank had been stamped "C-39" on the bottom right border, meaning "1939," which is also conistant with the title and the chassis serial number. 

All-in-all, a truly great early Coleman G-55 restoration project that is somewhat within easy reach of eventual parade duty, truck shows, and such!



Craig H. Trout
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So all the parts have been sourced for my F4 Coleman. It started going back together today.
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So very little has been done lately with the Coleman. Been busy with other stuff and still needed some parts. I ordered the felt seal material today and hopefully the spindle bearing will be in soon. Split the t-case again last night in order to replace the output seals. I don't believe it was designed like that but some some pieces were hanging up so to avoid any damage I just split the case again to figure out what was going on. Pics to follow soon.
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So I got my F4 Coleman kit hubs/drums turned and the shoes relined. Brake and Equipment Warehouse in Minneapolis MN did the work. They are true craftsmen. The drums were turned just enough to make them round and the shoes took 1/4x2 inch pads. Bonded and baked to cure. They were first sandblasted and tumbled and then dipped in anti-corrosion stuff. B&E warehouse is an old school shop and I can't say enough good about them. One step closer!
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I will see about scanning that material.

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One of my IH parts books show a Coleman axle breakdown but with IH part numbers, probably won't be of any help.

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These are the part numbers I have found so far.
Stub-   C2995A1
Spindle dust shield-  DC2894
Backing plate-  C4733
Brake shoe anchor pins-  C2897
Steering bracket with ball-  C4659
Backing plate for brake anchors-  C3399
Spindle-  C4647
Wheel bearing cap-  C2875
Upper spindle bearing cap-  C2891
Spacer, between wheel bearings-  52889
Wedge for upper bearing cap-  C2892
Hub-  C3982
Brake shoes-  C4375
Wheel bearings are Timken 73562/73875
Spindle bearings on stub are Timken 43125/43312
That's what I have found so far. The C makes it easy to figure out what are Coleman parts. Which is just about everything from what I can tell.
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If I can add my opinion on the 73562/73875 Timkens. It would be hard to say what was common in 1951 or prior. And from my research, which is probably more than most, these bearings and races were used in HEAVY industry. Ships, aircraft etc. If I recall just one of these bearings will support 10,000 pounds radial or axial, I forget which. But still, 10K! The 60000 series are close, and if I recall some use the same cup, 73875. And I'm pretty sure the 60000 series are not being made anymore as well.  Timken has stopped making 73000 series for now so anyone who has them has adjusted their price to reflect that. Keeping in mind "aircraft or ships", 4K-7K might seem reasonable. Then along comes China. My local supplier thinks this company has bought up supply of someone else from somewhere. If you take into account China's restrictive internet policies, etc. how would they know someone in the Netherlands is trying to sell them for over $4000 US. Plus I doubt they know Timken has stopped making them and probably wont start again. A lot of things dealing with rare old trucks is speculation. What is factual is that Coleman had to use a huge bearing because the hub is huge, no clue why they chose the 73000 series. I will assume Timken stopped production due to lack of demand which in turn drove up the price. I will assume China has them due to them buying overstock or buying stock from someone going out of business. And I will assume China sells them cheaper because it's China. Part of me thinks I should just keep buying them from China just because I have a "system" and relationship with them now. The other side of me knows I'm set with 4 new and 4 old. 

That's my 2 cents, for what its worth.............Mark
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Bruce if you talking about Marks bearings the Timken 73562- 73875 specs are attached. It's an inch series bearing with a not common ID and OD. Being inch series is uncommon in itself.


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