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If we can summarize the Timken bearing supply, the Timken bearings in the axle were not common, not stocked in USA but somehow an overseas warehouse had some?  What would have been special about these bearings and "where used"?  Race diameters, widths, roller thickness, snap ring grooves can make for different part numbers.  I'm not familiar with the short run bearing realities, what kind of production volume might these be?  Could a good bearing store measure up diameters and specs and find a will-fit?

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Brocky (7/28/2018)
Learn something new everyday!!!  Did not know Coleman tried to make a farm tractor. BUT those axle ends look planetary rather than Coleman dish????


Origins of the Coleman D44B Farm Tractor Series

Brocky and Hamish,

Yes, I agree, those appear to be replacement hubs and axles. Coleman company photographs, as well as photographs of D44B farm tractors actually in service during 1960s, all have Coleman "heavy dome" hub protectors, but apparently the axles had been changed out since that time on this particular tractor.

As for how Coleman got in the "farm tractor" business, the D44 started out as a prototype for the US Army Engineers, and when Coleman did not win the contract, they looked for other obvious markets, such as industrial and agricultural. The farm tractor variant was the only model that I know of that actually went into production (very few numbers), and I often wondered if it would not have also made a good log-skidder, although I have no evidence that one was ever proposed.

Coleman had started experimenting with four-wheel-drive, four-wheel-steer farm and muskeg tractors in the late 1940s, some even being equipped with a Wilcock swivel frame. In 1954, Coleman began designing a number of very specialized tractor prototypes for the US Army Corps of Engineers, as a forerunner to the FAMECE (Family of Military Engineering Construction Equipment) program, which was later developed to establish a very standardized set of construction vehicles that would utilize a common prime mover (Universal Engineer Tractor – "UET") that could interchangeably act as a loader, dozer, pull a scraper (earth mover), and also perform similar military construction roles. The equipment was required to be very transportable, to include air-drop capability. After many, many Coleman prototypes were produced and vigorously tested, along with other 5-6 other companies also submitting their proposals, the final contract was ultimately issued to Clark Equipment Company in 1980. Along the way, American Coleman began to explore other markets for their FAMECE "UET" prototypes. In addition to possible industrial applications, they also attempted to enter the agricultural market.

That is to say, the Colby, Kansas 4x4 American Coleman D44B is essentially a Coleman prototype FAMECE "UET" tractor modified for the agricultural market, although later getting replacement axles and hubs. The D44Bs originally came without cabs, but every surviving unit that I am aware of has had a unique cab added by their early owners, most often from old farm equipment, such as combines.

On a side note, even though Coleman did try to enter the agricultural marked, in all my many years of research, I have never found a catalog page, spec sheet, or magazine advertisement for a Coleman farm tractor, and I would be extremely interested if anyone knows of an example.

Regardless, either with or without original Coleman hubs and axles, D44B farm tractors are an incredibly rare find.


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Brocky (7/28/2018)
Learn something new everyday!!!  Did not know Coleman tried to make a farm tractor. BUT those axle ends look planetary rather than Coleman dish????


I agree, they do look like planetary axles-Clark maybe.

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Learn something new everyday!!!  Did not know Coleman tried to make a farm tractor. BUT those axle ends look planetary rather than Coleman dish????

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AMERICAN COLEMAN D44B FARM TRACTOR

This 1960's 4x4 American Coleman D44B farm tractor was sold at auction on 7 June 2017 by DnD Farms in Colby, Kansas.


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4x4 Amercan Coleman D44B farm tractor, one of only a handful ever made


So far, they have not answered my emails or messages.  Does anyone know who purchased this extremely rare 4X4 Coleman farm tractor?

The cab was added by a later owner, and I suspect it has a replacement engine, but the basic chassis appears to be nearly "as built."

Please feel very free to "share" this post to other sites who may be able to help me find the owner. As a Coleman researcher, I am very interested in this unit, and I am very willing to provide the new owner with additional information regarding their very rare find.

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Lol, ok Eddy. Will do. It's gonna take some time to get everything cleaned and painted. Plus I still have to order the felt seals and oillite bushings. Shoes, drums and cylinders happen on Aug 6th. That should be fun.
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Yes

Double Mountain Manufacturing LLC
Eddy.Lucast@remotedata.com
203-228-1961

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I have compiled a list of parts, suppliers and Coleman part numbers and will post it soon. I'm curious if you guys want a step by step as it goes back together? Should be pretty straight forward. Just reverse of disassembly.
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figured it was a good time to see how the t-case looked. It hasn't been able to shift between hi and low range since I bought it. Got it split and everything looks great. Gears show just about no wear. Bearings are all in great shape. Got the hi/lo fork freed up and all is well. It will get cleaned and resealed. It's a model 40 by the way. And it's a big gear driven beast.
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that is where the inner axle seal lives. Remove the eight bolts holding the stub on and the stub falls right off.


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