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JimF39 (10/16/2015)
Here's what differences that I've noticed on this unit, compared to a CF-55-AF.  The cab is set further forward, and lower over the wheels. It has a shorter, lower and narrower hood. The cowl of the cab is tapered on the sides and top to meet the hood. (smaller engine?)  The angle of the photo makes it difficult to compare wheelbases, I think it just gives the illusion of being a shorter wheelbase.


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Here is a photo of a 1951 CF-55-AF for comparison purposes.  Dad took this photo while he was woking as an
 inspector.  He was soon reassigned to install winterization kits on these big brutes.  At 3-4 years old,
these are my first memories of a Coleman truck, and my very first ride down to Church Street on a test drive.
The four-wheel steering and the ability to "crab" made these monsters unusually agile. 
Source: Craig H. Trout Collection -- please credit


Jim, 

Now that I have pulled a CF-55-AF photo for closer comparison, I think you are exactly right on all your observations.  Besides having a single cab rather than a double cab, it is definitely farther forward, but they do appear to have a similar wheelbase.  The radiator cowling appears to be very similar, but on the CF-55-AF,  the hood slopes up to the cab, but on the SAME model, it is nearly level, and gives the appearance of a smaller engine.   Regardless, I continue to suspect it was a special order that was loosely based on the CF-55-AF chassis as a starting point.   Perhaps SAME provided their own engine, or re-powered the unit after it arrived. 

Craig


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Hamish I did not see the large pic but now you mentioned it you are correct. SAME (Società Accomandita Motori Endotermici), was founded in 1942 in Treviglio (Bergamo) by the brothers Francesco and Eugenio Cassani and is now a part of the SAME Deutz-Fahr (SDF) group. They produced more than tractors but also tried to compete with the Unimog with their Samecar - and for a brief period even made trucks but wisely pulled out realizing they were too small to compete with companies such as Fiat, MAN, MB, Volvo and so on. I have no idea what's the story behind the Coleman-SAME but to me it's either a later attempt by an operator to save fuel by replacing an original gasoline engine with a SAME diesel or something SAME did themselves, possibly as a part of an evaluation excercise.
The below pics are from the SDF archives (http://www.archiviostoricosamedeutz-fahr.com/catalogo/?pp=1&ipp=25&heading_id=4535 - I went through them and there's no trace of the Coleman-SAME) - does the axle look familiar (this is the Unimog competitor)?

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/7bb1f2c8-f10a-4f97-a9a9-bde3.jpg  
The below is the "Dinosaurio", the biggest tractor SAME offered in the 60s

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/d80c25e4-9219-472a-9564-50b7.jpg

... and the "Elefante" truck range, 4X4 or 6X4 with front driven axle.

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/e695db16-d3ea-4127-b5ac-f6ff.jpg
http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/e208afba-6a7d-4f3a-98ef-1c7f.jpg

SAME home page: http://www.same-tractors.com/en-GB/  
and their archives in English http://www.archiviostoricosamedeutz-fahr.com/en/. There is a contact page so it might be worth it to get in touch with them? 
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[quote]JimF39 (10/15/2015)
This photo was recently posted in a Facebook group. I've never seen a Coleman like this, can anyone provide some info?  The caption said "In Italy".http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/5e185a4a-9b2a-4b50-92cd-9b7e.jpg[

When you look at the big photo John Francis posted it appears to have the letters SAME at the top of the grille. SAME was and still is as far as I know an Italian tractor manufacturer that specialised in 4wd tractors with their own air cooled diesel engines. The other truck looks like a Diamond T 980/981.
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Here's what differences that I've noticed on this unit, compared to a CF-55-AF.  The cab is set further forward, and lower over the wheels. It has a shorter, lower and narrower hood. The cowl of the cab is tapered on the sides and top to meet the hood. (smaller engine?)  The angle of the photo makes it difficult to compare wheelbases, I think it just gives the illusion of being a shorter wheelbase.
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John Frances (10/15/2015)
Here's the original picture from an Italian forum, it's much bigger.



Thanks John, much better detail!

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Here's the original picture from an Italian forum, it's much bigger.
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Would that load be underwater cable ?

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JimF39 (10/15/2015)
This photo was recently posted in a Facebook group. I've never seen a Coleman like this, can anyone provide some info?  The caption said "In Italy".http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/5e185a4a-9b2a-4b50-92cd-9b7e.jpg


Hey Jim,

Wow, truly Great photo!

I have never seen anything quit like this before, so I am assuming it was a "special order."  That appears to be a chassis very similar to the 1951 series of double-cab CF-55-AF built for the US Air Force to pull B-36s.  This single GM cab, very unique hood, and unusual body in back, may have been simple modifications to the AC55AF, but perhaps with a larger engine.  That is clearly the standard "Coleman" script name plate across the radiator, and of course it has the standard Coleman heavy dome hub protectors all around.  All Colemans of this era that were designated for "export" had the same three metal bands across the radiator, and this example seems to follow that specification.

If anyone learns antyhing more about this photo, I would be extremely interested.

Thanks for sharing this, Jim!

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig



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This photo was recently posted in a Facebook group. I've never seen a Coleman like this, can anyone provide some info?  The caption said "In Italy".http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/5e185a4a-9b2a-4b50-92cd-9b7e.jpg
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Brocky (10/6/2015)
Craig

Found this over on Big Mack Trucks site.

http://www.bigmacktrucks.com/index.php?/topic/42071-1956-ford-f-700-awd/


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Wow!  Great looking truck!   I will write something in the near future regarding the different Coleman hub types and why some do not have the familiar heavy dome hub protector...

Thanks Brocky!

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