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Welcome to the board.. I am sure Mr. Trout will chime in shortly with the info you need..

Post us some more pictures of you "treasures"!!

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Welcome to the forum, Mr. Cobra 5,  That sure is a good looking tug.

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I reposted here from another section on this forum as was suggested by one of the other members. 
I just found this site and since I'm now the proud owner of an aircraft tug, I thought I should join the group. A little background history on myself. My name is Tim and I retired from the Air Force in 2005 after 21+ years.  I currently work as a QA inspector for a company that operates air tankers for fighting wildland fires. I'm into collecting and restoring military vehicles so when I seen this come up for auction I had to outbid the scrapper to save it. I'm hoping that some of the folks on here can point me in the right direction to source manuals so I can work on it. I will be posting questions as I get around to working on it. So far I have cleaned it up and removed the homemade pusher bar and tire from the front. I'll need to find some cab parts and a layout of the dash to see what is original and what has been altered. Anyone with input I'd be happy to hear from you. Thanks
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Some more pics of the Israeli Egged IH-Coleman buses in service in the Sinai peninsula in the 70s...
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Tutlebrain (10/16/2015)
Hamish I did not see the large pic but now you mentioned it you are correct. SAME (Società Accomandita Motori Endotermici), was founded in 1942 in Treviglio (Bergamo) by the brothers Francesco and Eugenio Cassani and is now a part of the SAME Deutz-Fahr (SDF) group. They produced more than tractors but also tried to compete with the Unimog with their Samecar - and for a brief period even made trucks but wisely pulled out realizing they were too small to compete with companies such as Fiat, MAN, MB, Volvo and so on. I have no idea what's the story behind the Coleman-SAME but to me it's either a later attempt by an operator to save fuel by replacing an original gasoline engine with a SAME diesel or something SAME did themselves, possibly as a part of an evaluation excercise.
The below pics are from the SDF archives (http://www.archiviostoricosamedeutz-fahr.com/catalogo/?pp=1&ipp=25&heading_id=4535 - I went through them and there's no trace of the Coleman-SAME) - does the axle look familiar (this is the Unimog competitor)?

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The below is the "Dinosaurio", the biggest tractor SAME offered in the 60s

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/d80c25e4-9219-472a-9564-50b7.jpg

... and the "Elefante" truck range, 4X4 or 6X4 with front driven axle.

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SAME home page: http://www.same-tractors.com/en-GB/  
and their archives in English http://www.archiviostoricosamedeutz-fahr.com/en/. There is a contact page so it might be worth it to get in touch with them? 

Thanks for posting these pictures, Tutlebrain, interesting stuff-although as you say, no trace of anything that looks to be related to Coleman.
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JimF39 (10/17/2015)
Possibly acquired surplus, and repurposed by SAME as a prime mover.


Jim, to me the picture seems to be from the late 50s and at that time the CF-55-AF were still in use by the USAF (and maybe even considered as tactical equipment)?

The sign on the tractor says "Fumagalli" and the reg no. is a Milan one, so to me it's clear the Coleman belonged to Fumagalli Transporti who was a heavy transport specialist in Milan and I believe is a part of the Fagioli group (http://www.fagioli.it/Pages/Heavy-Transport_and_Lifting.aspx?lang=en-US). Whether there's still an old timer working there who may remember the Coleman I doubt but maybe they have some old photos... 
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Craigslist find:

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JimF39 (10/17/2015)
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Actually, that makes great sense! 


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JimF39 (10/16/2015)
Here's what differences that I've noticed on this unit, compared to a CF-55-AF.  The cab is set further forward, and lower over the wheels. It has a shorter, lower and narrower hood. The cowl of the cab is tapered on the sides and top to meet the hood. (smaller engine?)  The angle of the photo makes it difficult to compare wheelbases, I think it just gives the illusion of being a shorter wheelbase.


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Here is a photo of a 1951 CF-55-AF for comparison purposes.  Dad took this photo while he was woking as an
 inspector.  He was soon reassigned to install winterization kits on these big brutes.  At 3-4 years old,
these are my first memories of a Coleman truck, and my very first ride down to Church Street on a test drive.
The four-wheel steering and the ability to "crab" made these monsters unusually agile. 
Source: Craig H. Trout Collection -- please credit


Jim, 

Now that I have pulled a CF-55-AF photo for closer comparison, I think you are exactly right on all your observations.  Besides having a single cab rather than a double cab, it is definitely farther forward, but they do appear to have a similar wheelbase.  The radiator cowling appears to be very similar, but on the CF-55-AF,  the hood slopes up to the cab, but on the SAME model, it is nearly level, and gives the appearance of a smaller engine.   Regardless, I continue to suspect it was a special order that was loosely based on the CF-55-AF chassis as a starting point.   Perhaps SAME provided their own engine, or re-powered the unit after it arrived. 

Craig


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