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1949 W-6564-OH with 3 man cab and new style fenders. Hall-Scott HS-400.
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Wow, John, this table is all at once both fascinating and very puzzling. While it does directly answer my question regarding the "FA-184," which was apparently a "Rockwell-Standard FDS1800," it only lists American Coleman as using the "Coleman Model-17 SDA" with a 18,000 pound capacity. In 1969, the only Coleman truck in production was the "EH-62." Coleman aircraft towing tractors, such as the G-40 and G-75, still tended to use a modified version of the best-selling "Coleman Model-9 SDA."

As indicated below, the table also includes the International Harvester “IH FA-57" FDA and the “IH FA-59." (see following)

Over the years, International Harvester offered a number of American Coleman steerable front drive axles (SDAs), to include the "Loadstar 1700" which was offered by special order as a 4x4 with either an “IH FA-57" FDA, which was a standard "Coleman Model-9 SDA," or an “IH FA-59," which was a "Coleman Model-9 SDA" modified with a WARN lockout hub. IH models with a WARN lockout hub had an IH “open-access” hub protector, and most IH models with a standard Coleman-FDA had a unique IH “cake pan” style hub protector. The exception to all this was that most (not all) IH FARMALL 4x4 farm tractors used the standard heavy-dome hub protector as supplied by Coleman. IH also offered both the R-190 4x4 and the RF-190 6x6 with a "Coleman Model-11 SDA," re-branded as an IH "FA-140" FDA. (for reference purposes, the IH Loadstar 1600 4x4 instead came with an IH "FA-54" DANA axle rated at 6,000 lbs.)


While it is clear from the table that most truck manufacturers had moved on to other front-drive axles by 1969, historically a surprisingly-wide variety of truck builders offered in-factory assembly-line installation of Coleman axles on a special-order basis, to include (1953-1956) Ford, Chevrolet, International, GMC, and Dodge, with the list being revised in 1956 to include Autocar, Chevrolet, Diamond-T, Dodge, Ford, GMC, International, Mack, Marmon-Herrington, and White. (Source – Wards Annuals, as also confirmed by articles in the Littleton Independent). To clarify, Marmon-Herrington had a license to install the "Coleman Model-9," re-branded as the "MC-9" from 1964 to 1984, primarily in GMC trucks.

Thank you, John, you always provide truly authoritative original sources.



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International Harvester "FA-184" Axle Question...

Catalog pages for the IH "M-6123-CBE" indicate that it came with an IH "FA-184" front drive axle. The description reads like it "might" be a "Coleman Model-18" steerable front drive axle, re-branded with an IH part number. Does anyone know for sure?

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Thanks for the replies. I do not remember seeing many small bore 335's  around here.If they were around I think they put 5" pipe on them. Dan whats the rest of the drivetrain ? Thanks.
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chocko,  The original exhaust was a 4" but previous owner put a 5" on it.  I was going to put a 4" back on it but the 5" sounds so good that I'll probably stay with it. I need to do some work on it and hopefully I'll get back too it soon.  As soon as I can get my "honey-do-list" done, I be back on it.

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All the small bore stuff I've seen and been around was 4"


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Aaron my friend had this Autocar maybe 30 years ago.He said it was a 335 Cummins at the time I did not realize that small bore 743 cu in used 4" exhaust. I do not know if this was standard from the factory or what. Any input from anyone. Thanks.
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Have you guys looked at the exhast on the new trucks, its 4 on from the turbo out, and they are pushing 600 horses and 2000 #'s torque and I was worried about the 4 in on my truck when I up rated to the big bore 335 from a 280, shouldn't be a problem.


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Thanks Dan.Dan is exhaust on your truck 4" or 5" ? My friend had an Autocar with a 335 years ago. It had a 4" exhaust. It must have been a 743 335.


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