What Am I for Monday 11/05/12


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By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 6 Years Ago
This dump truck is from 1913. Pretty trusting fellow sitting under the dump body. Emblem removed. Photo from Edgar Browning.

This is our 2000th WAI since 2007.

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By tamangel - 6 Years Ago
MOTOR WAGON...maybe..

Mike W

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By clyde318 - 6 Years Ago
Wow. 2000 already.Congrats,and here's to another 2000. Cook for the truck.
By John Frances - 6 Years Ago
Vulcan. Thanks Jeff for 2000 WAIs.
By wc62 - 6 Years Ago
Congratulations Jeff. Can we get an appointment for the 3 thousandth? :P

Vulcan looks good to me.
By Jack Amaral - 6 Years Ago
I'LL SAY VULCAN ALSO. SUPER JOB JEFF... THANKS.
By Stretch - 6 Years Ago
2000! Thanks for your dedication Jeff!
By Rocket - 6 Years Ago
Agree with the above...this site is wonderful, brightens my day. Thanks, Jeff!
By mplsbuffalo - 6 Years Ago
How about Chase. Very cool to have 2000 WAI's
By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 6 Years Ago
Well, no one has the answer I was looking for, but that may not mean everyone is wrong ! I have held this photo for a while because, despite a very prominent (and to me, unreadable) name on the radiator I could not identify it. Don Mackenzie helped me with that, and we decided this truck was a Commer. Commer was a British manufacturer that sold trucks in the U.S through Wycoff, Chunck, and Partridge from 1911 to 1913. The trucks were assembled by W.A. Wood Auto Manufacturing Company in Kingston, New York. According to Mroz, the Vulcan truck was a successor to Commer, and were built from 1912 to 1916 by the Driggs-Seabury Ordnance Company of Sharon Pennsylvania. Is this truck a Commer or a Vulcan ?? I'm not really sure. The photo was taken in 1913 so it could be either. The photos of Commers that I have seem to have a lot of differences in the details, and the Vulcans, for the most part, look identical to the Commers. I'm sort of leaning towards Vulcan. If anyone can nail this down I'm all ears. John Frances had Vulcan 1st. Thanks to Edgar Browning for the WAI photo from the Goodyear Collection at the University of Akron, Reid Pierce for the 2nd Commer photo, and Dan Souday for the rest. Whew !

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By tamangel - 6 Years Ago
here's your photo w/ info.... you can zoom in alot but radiator name still unfamiliar..at least to me..

http://drc.uakron.edu/handle/2374.UAKRON/21068?show=full

MIKE W

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By Gordon_M - 6 Years Ago
Here in the UK, COMMER was the civilian trading name of Morris Commercial, the commercial arm of Morris Garages, later ( still ) known as MG. Trucks with the COMMER brand name on them were found into the 1960's, maybe early 1970's until they swapped over to be Leyland or Leyland-DAF.

In 1914 all the production would have switched to military work, so I'd guess nothing was being shipped west across the Atlantic.

Gordon
By John Frances - 6 Years Ago
http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/Uploads/Images/20c14521-dca2-4b37-bdad-2930.jpg

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These Vulcans look like they have the same emblem on the rad. And in all the pictures and drawings, the Vulcans have handles on the hood sides and the Commers don't.

The two Commers pictured with covered chain drives and 'Commer Cars' cast into the front crossmembers are both Canadian trucks and probably came from England rather than the US.
By Hamish - 6 Years Ago
I am sorry Gordon, but you are completely wrong regarding any connection between Morris and Commer. Commer Cars were a product of the Commercial Car Company of Luton, Bedfordshire, England. Later the brand name was shortened to Commer. In the mid 1920s Commercial Cars was acquired by the Humber Car Company, which in turn was acquired by the Rootes Brothers. Rootes went on to purchase the Hillman, Sunbeam and later the Singer car businesses and the Karrier truck and bus business. From 1964 Chrysler Corporation began buying in to the Rootes Group as part of their plan to establish a European manufacturing empire, also buying in to Simca in France and Barreiros in Spain. Chrysler already had a manufacturing interest in the U.K., through the British Dodge truck business, set up in the 1930s in Kew, Surrey. Eventually Chrysler acquired 100 percent of the Rootes Group and the last Commer badged trucks were the 100 series Commando tilt cabs introduced in 1974. These trucks went on to be badged as Dodges.-Hamish Petrie
By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 6 Years Ago
Thanks for all the info guys. I also think the Vulcan had a ribbed radiator and the Commer didn't. At least we had an interesting conundrum to celebrate number 2000 !
By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 6 Years Ago
I am reposting all the attachments from the answer as there is an error meesage and they can't be viewed. Lets hope it works this time.

Looks like it worked !
By Gordon_M - 6 Years Ago
OK Hamish, duly corrected. I'd been told that numerous times over the years, but it would seem to be some of those 'well known facts' that aren't.

Back to work here then
By Hamish - 6 Years Ago
Gordon, I hope you didn't think I was rude in my post, it is very easy to get confused about the British motor industry, once very widespread, but now down to one manufacturer making trucks-Leyland (owned by Paccar).