1917 Riker (Locomobile) big project


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By alsfarms - 2 Years Ago
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Alan
By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 2 Years Ago
That is a nice project Alan. It would be cool if you could find a Riker to put it in. 
By Tony Bullard - 2 Years Ago
Are you missing the magneto Alan? I may have a few Eismann that may fit. If you get a better picture of the carburetor I may have one of those also. 
By alsfarms - 2 Years Ago
Hello Tony,
I may be interested in magneto as I am missing the original magneto.  I do have a nice retored D4 Bosch and also a two spark Delco distributor that could work.  I will try to get and post a better picture of the original carb.  Do you have original Riker/Locomobile truck pieces?  I am hoping that someone on this forum will have or have seen some Riker pieces that can help this potential restoration of a true blue WW1 military truck.
Al 
By Tony Bullard - 2 Years Ago
Stick with the D4 Bosch. The Caterpillar Twenty Eismann G4 mags I have are ten years newer than your motor and would need restoring. I have no other Riker/Locomobile truck pieces. Keep us posted on your progress. Thanks.
By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 2 Years Ago
Archie Crippen had a large collection of trucks in Fresno, California. When he passed away he left a truck of their choice to each family member, and the rest were auctioned off in 2009.  He had a Riker that appeared to be pretty complete. I don't know what became of it, but someone here may know. 

https://auctionpublicity.com/2009/07/10/archie-crippen-classic-trucks-go-to-auction/

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By alsfarms - 2 Years Ago
Thanks Jeff for the note on the Riker truck from Northern Calif.  Can anyone here on these forums head me in the right direction to locate the Riker mentioned above or any other chassis, axles or wheels?  Any help is greatly appreciated.
Al 
By alsfarms - 2 Years Ago
Here is why Riker trucks are actually quite rare here in the US.  Most were built on Military contract and were shipped overseas to help out in the Great War.  This factory photo shows 150 Riker trucks in convoy going to Maryland to prep and ship across the pond.  The photographer must have been riding the Harley, lower left in the picture.
Al
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By alsfarms - 2 Years Ago
Here is another picture of WW1 Riker military contact trucks getting ready for shipment overseas.  If you see or know of any running/chassis pieces that look like the ones in the pictures, pleasehttp://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/07245a19-2a9b-49f3-bfc3-172.jpeg share a reference.
Al
By Bruce Ohnstad - 2 Years Ago
Al, was your Riker engine a new old stock engine that was shipped and stored in that frame?  Is there more to its history of surviving a hundred years?

Also, Mr. Riker was chief engineer for Locomobile.  Does your Riker have any commonality with Locomobile engines?

Bruce
By alsfarms - 2 Years Ago
Hello Bruce,  Thanks for your note, comments and question.  I am interested in this RIker project because, firstly, I am a Locomobile guy.  I am currently restoring a 1909 Model L Locomobile Toy Tonneau.  (First year and Model for a shaft drive Locomobile).  Over time I have acquired nearly enough parts to have a second valid project, also a four cylinder Locomobile.  Riker was certainly the engineer behind the development of the early and great Locomobile and the automobile race successes and during WW1 trucks.  As far as some commonality, that is the thing that intrigues me.  Yes, is the answer.  This Riker four cylinder engine is the last in the evolutionary updates made by Locomobile.  I have not tested yet but I am certain that Locomobile jugs will fit the Riker crankcase.  The Model L Locomobile has a stroke of 4.5" whereas the Riker has a stroke of 6".  Other improvements; five main bearings, full pressure oiling,   Riker still uses the Manganese Bronze crankcase as does Locomobile, (Very Robust).  I just need to track down more parts to use for the build, so far I am in the dream stage.  I will post a few pictures of my completed and running 1909 Locomobile Model L engine for comparison with those pictures posted above of the Riker enginehttp://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/bc82f9bd-028f-42cd-9c5d-07c3.jpghttp://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/3887d761-73f9-4b14-9c87-d463.jpghttp://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/6ccc1bbd-49fd-4d9e-b8a9-2198.jpg.
Alan 
By alsfarms - 2 Years Ago
I need to get three engine side valve covers recast in Aluminum.  I do have one original cover that I can use as a pattern.  Who knows of a a good aluminum foundry?
Al 
By Brocky - 2 Years Ago
PM /  Email Wolfcreek Steve.. He made pedals for his Autocar..
By Eddy Lucast - 2 Years Ago
Like Brocky says talk to Steve. I just had Ryerson make a die for an Aluminum extrusion but I have no idea if they do any casting.
By Wolfcreek_Steve - 2 Years Ago
I can do simple castings. Post pictures of both sides of the part and I'll let you know if it is something I can handle.
By alsfarms - 2 Years Ago
Hello Steve,  I will get a few picture for you shortly, of the valve side cover.  What type sand do you use for your casting process?  Do you only do aluminum or can you also pour brass/bronze?
Al
By Wolfcreek_Steve - 2 Years Ago
alsfarms (9/1/2020)
Hello Steve,  I will get a few picture for you shortly, of the valve side cover.  What type sand do you use for your casting process?  Do you only do aluminum or can you also pour brass/bronze?
Al

I only do sand cast aluminum with greensand.  (silica sand, bentonite clay and water)
A few things I've done for myself. These were all done from my own patterns.
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By alsfarms - 2 Years Ago
Hello Steve,  I have been busy and have not gotten to remove the aluminum valve side cover for you to take a look at.  I will get to it when things slow down on the farm later in the fall.
I am also looking for a right hand steering column that could be refitted into this Riker project.  Can anyone share a reference?
Al
By Stretch - 2 Years Ago
Al,
I'm thinking Riker was an "assembled" truck, meaning they purchased components from suppliers and assembled them into a vehicle as opposed to manufacturing
all of the components themselves. That said, they probably used a common brand such as Ross. Many American truck brands before 1920 used right hand drive.
You might be able to use a steering box from a donor of another brand.
If you search for "Power Wagon" in Google  Books, you can search old issues of this magazine. They printed spread sheets of all the brands listing their components.
By alsfarms - 2 Years Ago
Hello Stretch,
Yes plenty of early trucks and automobiles were in fact "assembled" from various MFG. parts.  Riker and Locomobile were not assembled as you suggest.   They built all the pieces for both trucks and automobiles.  Actually a rather high quality machine in the early days.  A Locomobile Old 16 won the prestigious Vanderbilt Cup race in 1908 running against the best of both American and European products.  I do agree and would sure entertain any right hand steering box I could find to retrofit into this project.  True Locohttp://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/0b1fede2-21c2-44a6-8d58-ec9.jpegmobile and Riker steering gears are very hard if not impossible to find.  this picture shows several main components in the Locomobile factory building up mechanics for production.
By Stretch - 2 Years Ago
Riker was not an assembled truck. Ouch! This is not going to be easy.
By alsfarms - 2 Years Ago
ahhh, what a hobby we have hunting for "hens teeth" and "frogs hair" !  Oh well the chase is fun and we get to meet some real great guys along the way.
Al
By alsfarms - 2 Years Ago
Here is a picture shared with me of a Riker truck resting in France.  The picture is about 25 years old.  I hope that the restortation is now complete making the truck a joy to take out and run.
Al

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By alsfarms - 2 Years Ago
Could someone reading here direct me to the forum moderator?  I have a question I would like to direct to the moderator.
Thanks,
Al
By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 2 Years Ago
That would be Eddy Lucast. 
By Eddy Lucast - 2 Years Ago
alsfarms (10/12/2020)
ahhh, what a hobby we have hunting for "hens teeth" and "frogs hair" !  Oh well the chase is fun and we get to meet some real great guys along the way.
Al



Eddy.Lucast@remotedata.com
By alsfarms - 2 Years Ago
Has anyone here ran across any early Locomobile or Riker pieces or even maybe have heard of any parts? 
Help is a appreciated.
Al