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By ColoradoGreen - 3 Years Ago
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Little Joe.
By ColoradoGreen - 3 Years Ago
I'll see what I can find out about Little Joe... it's sat (if it's still there) at a local dealer for probably the better end of 20 years now. I remember seeing it for a long-time. What I do know is it currently has a 262 Cummins for power, and if my memory is right, is a '49. So, it's obviously been re-powered at some point.

If it's still there, I'll see what I can find...

It's for sale... but, the price is a little steep at $12,000 last I heard...
By ColoradoGreen - 3 Years Ago
chtrout (10/30/2013)
American Coleman  "CF-55-AF" Double-Cab Towing Tractors for the B-36
 

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These trucks were just plain big! As a small boy, it was a real scramble when I was invited up into the cab.

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images above are from my personal collection -- please credit as appropriate.)



For those interested in a restoration, I figured I'd let all of you know that a friend of mine in northern CO has a ranch with three of the CF-55-AF double-cab tugs sitting on the property. They're in various states of repair, one is only a cab shell, the other two are still sitting on their chassis. I didn't have time to get up and take a close look at them the day I was there, so, I can't speak to condition of running gear or anything like that. But, certainly one good example could be built, if not two, with what is sitting on his ranch. I'm also reasonably certain he'd sell, as the oddball vintage stuff isn't his gig. They just happen to be there. They all still wear the distinctive yellow paint.

By John Frances - 4 Years Ago
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By John Frances - 4 Years Ago
ruined by the watermark but...'Rocky Mountain Parks Transportation Co bus #64 Coleman negative exposed Sep '49 Estes Park Colorado'

By John Frances - 4 Years Ago
chtrout (7/15/2014)
Hey John,

GREAT shot!  Did not know they had Colemans.  Cannot find it on eBay, is it still up for bid, or was that an old image?

Thanks for sharing!

Craig


old image
By John Frances - 3 Years Ago
Original axle strapped on the back.
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By John Frances - 3 Years Ago
That's just an ebay display picture, I don't know what's on the back and don't have any others.
By John Frances - 3 Years Ago
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By John Frances - 3 Years Ago
Here's the original picture from an Italian forum, it's much bigger.
By John Frances - 2 Years Ago
From this video here, just past the 8:00 mark.


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By John Frances - 2 Years Ago
Here's a bigger fixed up version of the same scan.
By John Frances - 2 Years Ago
Tony Bullard (10/2/2016)
Very nice job John. May I ask how you did that?


To get the big images at Hathi Trust right click on the page you want and click Properties. The end of the address in the Properties box looks like this for the Coleman ad : width=850. Copy and paste the address into the address bar then change the 850 (or what ever number is there) to 1360 (that's the width when you're fully zoomed in) and push Enter. That will be the big version, then save it as a picture. (If you use Firefox right click on the page and click View Image then change the 850 to 1360 in the address bar and push Enter.)

I use Microsoft Paint to copy chunks of the white background and paste it over the watermarks and scanning flaws. Since they started putting the watermarks over the title/date at the bottom of the page I try to find another page with the piece of  title/date I need, then save the page, crop out the piece I need and paste it onto the page I'm saving.

Sounds complicated but it's quick and easy once you start doing it. It's harder to explain than it is to do it.

By John Frances - 2 Years Ago
Tony Bullard (10/4/2016)
The problem I had, have, is I couldn't find the CCJ 1961 50th Anniversary Edition. I found three from late '60 to early '62 but couldn't find the Special 1961.


It's in v.102 between the September and October issues (starts here). I think it was a supplement to the September issue. The whole thing is badly scanned. CCJ index is here.
By PZ 1 - 2 Years Ago
American - http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/103050/What-Am-I-for-Tuesday-10042016

By 71int - 5 Years Ago
Michelle
Flew many hours on C-124's as a loadmaster in the late sixties hauling outsize cargo
before the C-5 came into operation.

Dave
By Slim 3979 - 3 Years Ago
Craig and Dennis, we really, really enjoyed that Coleman history lesson.  THanks

Slim
By Slim 3979 - 3 Years Ago
Welcome to the forum, Mr. Cobra 5,  That sure is a good looking tug.

Slim
By Slim 3979 - 2 Years Ago
Thanks for posting pics, Mr. Robbmic.  welcome aboard.  Beware of Dr. Bento

Slim
By Slim 3979 - Last Year
Thanks for posting those 2 truck pics, Craig, and the information that we may or may not know.  We always enjoy your insight into the Coleman stuff.

Slim
By Hambone - 5 Years Ago
I did not make it to the parade but I've seen pics from it. The plow truck is a 1939 and belongs to the state. The other red one is a 1933. The orange one is this truck http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/bullnoze/2006/jul01/c2.jpg don't know the year. The green one was originally set up to run on railroad tracks as well as the street. A 1978 model with a Nissan diesel, the only one of these made, I think that is what I was told.
By Hambone - 5 Years Ago
A couple of years ago I was put in touch with a fellow who's dad worked at Coleman during the same era as your dad. Maybe it was you? He was in Castle Rock Colorado at that time. He gave me some pictures of some other tugs, one was called the Ant and had tracks like a tank on the back. The others I think are different versions of the A2. Not that it matters but a newspaper article that I got from the library says the GM cabs were purchased through Burt Chevrolet which was fairly close to the Coleman plant.

Do you know why Federal built those tugs as well?

There is a farmer in northern Colorado who has a modified CF-55-AF that he uses on the farm.

Bill.
By Hambone - 5 Years Ago
Craig,

Yes that's it, but I don't know the official model or number.

Here's a few more from the fellow in Castle Rock. I thought he said one of them was an A2.

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By Hambone - 5 Years Ago
http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/Uploads/Images/21cac988-bf56-4df9-a9bf-3490.jpghttp://forums.justoldtrucks.com/Uploads/Images/29c400a3-339a-4e64-95cf-0239.jpgSome years ago I was able to ride with a friend of a friend of a family that had several tugs. Here's some shots for now. Under the impression this is a Coleman cab.

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By Hambone - 5 Years Ago
That didn't come out in the right order.

Craig, the building in your photo is still there. The main building is not.
By Hambone - 5 Years Ago
To me the windshields look like they sit lower than a Ford, but I am not an expert by any means.

Thanks to the Denver library I have quite a few copies of newspaper articles on Coleman, some with photos showing various personnel and vehicles.

I'll try to post some when I get home tonight or tomorrow.
By Hambone - Last Year
[quote]ppsyclone (6/16/2017)
Last time I saw the Weicker truck, it belonged to Meritt towing and it was sitting in a yard on the east side of 85, I think  north of 104 th st. Also does anyone know about a really heavy Coleman parked in a yard where 85 branches off of I-76? And it up there on the west side I last saw the Space Star.[/quote

Was the heavy Coleman you're referring to yellow and from the twenties or thirties? If so I have photos of it that were given to me, if not then I'll drive over there and look around.

By Hambone - 2 Years Ago
Will you be there Craig?

By Hambone - 2 Years Ago
I plan on getting there about 7 am and having breakfast across the street at what used to be an IHOP.
By Hambone - Last Year
Craig,
 Did you get to see the G40 at Stewart and Stevenson after the Littleton parade?
Also the gentleman in the military uniform (at the parade)and his son are friends with a fella named Vern, whose dad worked at Coleman.
I don/t know why but I just remembered that. I'll look for their phone number.
.


By Hambone - Last Year
Apparently still in use moving disabled vehicles into the shop.
Photo taken about ten years ago.
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By Hambone - Last Year
Craig,

I think they only have the one in the above photo.
There was an all white one nearby but its gone now.
By Hambone - Last Year
Hi Craig,
I wanted to post a pic of Don's truck after the restoration with the plow but it's a glossy print and looks like garbage with my scanner.
I'm perplexed by the cab though, the windshields sit lower in relation to the door windows than a Ford and the dash is totally different than Fords I've seen.
Have you seen or know about a Coleman in the west Denver area that belonged to Weicker Moving and Storage? Jim Hatfield told me about it, it's sitting in the owners back yard. I have not tried to contact the owner but Jim told me it would be okay. Here is a pic of a  Coleman Ken Kafka told me about. The owner was more than happy to let me see it. The chassis is supposed to be a 1933? The cab is?

Hope to see you in Littleton again this year.

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By Hambone - 3 Years Ago
Craig,
In regards to the tugs at the ranch did Ken send you pics of the one they still use? It's been modified somewhat. I have pics if you want. There is or was two of the Federals sitting along highway 287 near the border with Wyoming.
An interesting addition to the story of #1, at one time it had a late forties cab installed right over the original cab. I don't remember the name of the fellow that owned it then but he is friends with some friends of Ken Kafka. His dad also worked at Coleman during the sixties I think.

By Hambone - 3 Years Ago
Early on there was at least one FWD with Coleman axles.
Craig the Littleton parade is in two weeks, I''l try to make it and get some shots of any Colemans. Met a fellow last year who just purchased a G75? the dash plate show A/S32U-18. Said he hopes to put it in the parade this year.
By Hambone - 3 Years Ago
Craig,,

Here's the backside of an article I received from Randy Ledermann at least ten years ago.
Was this just someone using the American Coleman name? At one time the Littleton museum had a small display about Coleman that stated one of the last vehicles built was an all terrain rescue vehicle or words similar to that.

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By Hambone - 3 Years Ago
The E-54 from the parade as it was in 2004.


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By Hambone - 4 Years Ago
Just received a call back from the museum/park in Lakewood regarding the bus. According to a volunteer that works with their vehicles it is a Coleman, came out of Fountain Colorado. The bus was sold to someone in the area years ago. They told me there is a bus like it in the movie Of Mice and Men.
There is supposed to be a Coleman automobile in the area as well.
By Hambone - 3 Years Ago
Craig,

Do you have a time frame for when the book will be available?

Mr. Green, are those recent pics?
By Hambone - 3 Years Ago
Craig,

Were/are you acquainted with the Schierenberg family?

Mr. Schierenberg (don't recall his first name) was one of the engineers on the Space Star. He has passed but his family was still in Colorado a few years ago.I spoke with his son about the Space Star about six years ago, don't recall his first name either.
Another person with Coleman knowledge is Randy Ledermann. You can find his email through Hanks Truck Pictures, I think he is in Kansas.

By Hambone - 3 Years Ago
Craig,

Thanks for the info and photos you've posted, can't get enough.
Did the Space Star always belong to Coleman? In the late 70s I used to see it parked outside a residential area about 38th and I 25. It was there several times with both trailers.
By Hambone - 3 Years Ago
Craig,

I don't know who made those cabs but a company called Crenlo made cabs for Coleman.I don't know which ones though.

Rich Barker at CDOT is another person to contact about Coleman.
By Hambone - 3 Years Ago
Craig,

There are six in Colorado that I know of. Big R Construction has one with a water tank, and this tow truck. I don't know who owns the others.

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By Hambone - 5 Years Ago
http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/Uploads/Images/7402406d-6f04-43b3-a8b4-506e.jpgNo dates on these newspaper copies.

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By Hambone - 5 Years Ago
Hope this is readable.

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By Hambone - 5 Years Ago
Craig,

Any info on this one?

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By Hambone - 4 Years Ago
The green Coleman on the first page of this thread was Art Herrington's design. Have heard it referred to as the Baby Coleman due to it's small size.
By Hambone - 4 Years Ago
Craig,

#187 is the one at least according to my info. I believe Don Chew is the one that restored that truck and may have been the one to tell me it was Art's design.
Jeff,
Thanks for posting those articles
By Hambone - 4 Years Ago
Craig
about two thirds of the way down the page is a black and white photo of a bus in Lakewood,CO.
Do you know if it is a Coleman? There was supposed to be a Coleman bus at this park according to several people I've talked to. Seen a color photo from Don Chew years ago, he was not certain it was a Coleman.

http://forums.autosport.com/topic/107830-commercial-vehicle-nostalgia/page-3

By ScottM - 2 Years Ago
Very interesting! i eould really like to see more of the Y24 and its controls and linkages. I should check out some patent documents when I get home to see what shows up there. Are you planning to write a book?
By ScottM - 2 Years Ago
When I am waiting for the bathroom paint to dry I will do some googling to see what I can find for you, I'll post what I find here to keep everything in one place. Excellent, I look forward to the book, please let me know when it is ready for prime time.
By thundersnow70 - 3 Years Ago
That parade looks like a great time. Thanks for posting the pics. I picked up a Ford script flatbed for my F4 Coleman. Maybe someday it will be worthy of the parade. I send you the MC 9 manual Craig. Sent you an email but haven't heard back. Let me know if you got it please. Thanks............Mark
By thundersnow70 - 2 Years Ago
Interesting reading Craig, thanks for posting that. It looks like your trip was a great success. Those pics of the parts you posted made me do a double take. Somebody somewhere is probably in need of them. Did you see any of those giant wheel bearings laying around?
By thundersnow70 - 2 Years Ago
chtrout (3/1/2016)
Jeff Lakaszcyck (3/1/2016)
Craig, fyi someone posted in the Members section looking for info about a 1956 Ford F600 with a Coleman conversion. I suggested he post here but he hasn't yet.

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/91221/New-guy


Thanks Jeff, I'll watch for him and do what I can to help..

Craig



Hopefully this guy or gal chimes in about his 56 F600 with the Coleman kit. It would be interesting to see how much my 51 F4 shares with his. As soon as our weather clears up I will have it home and start in on it. I'm going to have to figure out how to post pics on this forum.

By thundersnow70 - 2 Years Ago
Hey Craig, this is Mark in SD with the Coleman F4. I thought I sent you a copy of the MH M9 manual I got off ebay? I has that diagram you are looking for. If I forgot to make you a copy I will gladly get that headed your way. I also picked up some literature at Iola and will get that to you as well. It also has the side view. Both pages look very much like what you posted minus the advertisement on the bottom. Please let me know if I can be of help 
By thundersnow70 - Last Year
Craig, we plan to be at the show on Saturday. I will try to find you. We plan to check out as many vendors as we can and then check out the trucks. As we have never been to a AHTS show it will be a learning experience. I am also going to try and pm you with my cell number if you want to try and call me Saturday to meet up. 

Another thing that had me thinking when I see these Coleman tugs is the front wheel bearings. The hubs look identical to my Coleman "kit" Ford F4. So I wonder if anyone has every had any luck sourcing reasonable front wheel bearings? I assume tugs travel MUCH slower and have fewer miles than a truck would have so maybe the wheel bearings have held up better on tugs? 

If anyone has found the giant wheel bearings for a Coleman please let me know. Thanks...............Mark
By thundersnow70 - Last Year
I didn't mean to come across like I was at a loss for wheel bearing numbers. What I meant was reasonably priced wheel bearings. My Coleman kit Ford uses Timken 73562 bearings and Timken 73875 races. Apparently Timken is no longer making them and the ones on the shelf are BIG money. $500 for one race and $2000 plus for 1 roller bearing. I'm looking at 10k-12k just for wheel bearings. That is why I asked the question. Type it into google and it will blow you away.....I promise.
On a side note they are huge. 5 5/8 ID and over 8 inch OD on the race. Iirc one bearing is rated at 10k load.......x4= a little over built!
By thundersnow70 - Last Year
I do have a running ebay search for the bearings and races. Everyone that pops up is crazy expensive. From my numerous phone calls with different bearing houses I could not find a cross reference for a less expensive "overseas" bearing. Thanks for the tip on the FWA tractor axles Craig. My friend runs the local IH Case dealership so that will be my next adventure. 
By thundersnow70 - Last Year
I need Timken 73562 and 73875. 73562 has a 5.6250 ID and a 1.2450 width. The cone is 73875, .............8.750 OD and a .9375 width. Close to what you referenced but not close enough. 

Thanks for posting them.
By thundersnow70 - Last Year
Tony..I might have found a source in China for the 73000 series timkens. I'm currently waiting for one to show up at my door step. If that goes bust the 36000 series could work with the adapter but I've only found two. No longer in production much like the 73562/73875. My D/S wheel bearings are good so worst case the 36000s could fix the P/S.
By thundersnow70 - Last Year
The cone/cup set showed up. Everything looks really good. I took it into the local bearing supplier, the same one that turned me onto the source in China. They looked at it and confirmed it was an original Timken piece. They assume this China company bought up someones overstock or warehouse. Anyway, the plan will be to keep rolling the dice and wiring money to China one bearing at a time until I get the four I need. Or get scammed, whichever comes first. 
By DMac - 3 Years Ago
Hello,
I'm new to this message forum.  I worked at American Coleman Co. from 1968 to 1970.  E.L. Martin was the owner when I started but he soon sold American Coleman to Kansas City Southern Industries.  The SpaceStar (ELM Truck) was being frequently used to haul axle and FWD assemblies back East and on return trips hauled steel.  As Government Contracts Mgr. one of my jobs was ordering railcars and trucks to haul the MB-4 towing tractors to their various destinations.   DMac
By DMac - 3 Years Ago
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Yes I knew your father, Harold.  He was a real gentleman and a terrific person.  My step-father C. F. Decker also worked at American Coleman Co. from the early 1950's (about 1952) until around 1972 +-.  He had jobs in purchasing, government contracts, VP Sales and VP Plant Production.
As Government Contracts Manager, I also filled the duty as traffic manager and ordered the trucks and railcars for the MB-4 shipping.  Some of the railcars were 89 ft.  It was a fun day when we loaded and shipped a dozen or so MB-4s.   I remember one day Russ Swank was in my office upset about having to pull so many MB-4s in and out of the plant every day and he was demanding they be shipped.  Of course I had to wait until the required number were ready, but as we were talking the 89 foot railcars arrived and rolled passed the window.  My comment was, "Well, what are you standing her for Russ,  you have MB-4's to load so we can ship them."   I enjoyed working for American Coleman.   I was also the Parts department supervisor for the sales and shipping of all the replacement parts for various Coleman manufactured assemblies. 
I don't recall exchanging email with you 6 months ago?    Very glad to here there are people like you working to preserve Coleman vehicles and American Coleman Company history.  I have a few photos but sorry to say, no manuals.    Have you been able to find out what happened to the ELM Truck  (SpaceStar)?   I recall it was sold to a major truck manufacturer and then it just sat for quite some time over at the PiggyVac factory in Sheridan.  After that I don't know what happened to it. ~ Dennis
By DMac - 3 Years Ago
Craig,
The people in the photo are C. F. Decker,  Peggy (my mother), and my half-sister, and half-brother.  I took the photo but I don't remember the exact year... some time around 1968 or 1969.  Those were Coleman employees tying down the tractors, but I don't remember the names.   Oh ... pardon my 'oops',  I meant the Englewood Plant (4002 S. Clay Street)  for the last place I saw the ELM Truck.  
I started working at American Coleman Co. in early September 1968, after getting out of the U.S. Air Force.  Owner, E.L. Martin sold the company to Kansas City Southern Industries and they acquired Am.Coleman Co. as a wholly owned subsidiary on December 5, 1968.   Don G. Higgins succeeded E.L. Martin as president.  C.F. Decker became Vice President-Sales.  Bob Case Vice President-Accounting. Here is a picture of the E.L.M truck as it appeared on a post card.  I think the photo was taken by Grissinger, Littleton, CO.http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/ae116f25-8484-4b60-95e3-86cc.jpg   http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/6bafaf4d-c396-47d1-b50f-23b2.jpg
Yes, Swank was an interesting and 'gruff' person but he did get the job done and I always got along with him just fine.  I believe his title after KCSI took over was "Plant Manager".   Under Swank were:  Francis Wier, Tooling, J. A. Patch and L. Wiegel, Machining and W. D. Van Lue, Assembly.   The Chief Engineer was Ray E. Schierenberg and the Project Engineers were:  Tibor Czibok and Everitt Van Engen. Tibor was from Budapest, Hungary. 
By cobra5 - 3 Years Ago
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I reposted here from another section on this forum as was suggested by one of the other members. 
I just found this site and since I'm now the proud owner of an aircraft tug, I thought I should join the group. A little background history on myself. My name is Tim and I retired from the Air Force in 2005 after 21+ years.  I currently work as a QA inspector for a company that operates air tankers for fighting wildland fires. I'm into collecting and restoring military vehicles so when I seen this come up for auction I had to outbid the scrapper to save it. I'm hoping that some of the folks on here can point me in the right direction to source manuals so I can work on it. I will be posting questions as I get around to working on it. So far I have cleaned it up and removed the homemade pusher bar and tire from the front. I'll need to find some cab parts and a layout of the dash to see what is original and what has been altered. Anyone with input I'd be happy to hear from you. Thanks
By cobra5 - 3 Years Ago
Thanks for the welcome!
 Craig I look forward to reading your post. So are you the guru when it comes to all things Coleman? It seems that every site I belong to has the go to guy when it comes to needing information. The biggest hurdle so far has been getting a copy of the USAF manual for this tug. I have the manual numbers but so far all my connections in the Air Force have come up empty. I did find a vendor who deals in manuals that has them but I'm not going to pay $1,500 for 3 manuals.
Thanks Again!
Tim
By cobra5 - 3 Years Ago
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Here are some more images of the tug. I have since pressure washed the engine.
By cobra5 - 3 Years Ago
chtrout (11/4/2015)
Hey Cobra5,

I already commented on your 1980 American Coleman G-40-H (MB-4) aircraft towing tractor on the previous thread.  I will pull together some more interesting details on the "G" and "H" variants of the G-40 in the next few days and post some detailed information by this weekend.  

I think you will enjoy what I am pulling together for you...

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig


Craig,

Have you had a chance to get the info together?

Thanks!
Tim

By cobra5 - 3 Years Ago

Safe to say that the yellow later model G-40 at the end of your post is a G model and the white one before it is a H model. I say this because I know I have an H model and it looks exactly like the white one. The yellow one looks like it would be inline with its predecessors as far as still having a manual transmission. The G-40 A-F that you start off with is the same model we have here at work. The exception to the one we have versus the one in your picture is that ours has a square hydraulic reservoir on the drivers side fender and no tool box door on the drivers side either.

By oldtirediron - 2 Years Ago
I bought a G-40 about 6 months ago, and I have started to refit it for commercial snow fighting service. The apparent lack of information on these machines has resulted in many hours staring at a screen through bloodshot eyes. Therefore I would like to thank Mr. Trout for sharing his extensive knowledge with the world. What a fascinating read.

Incidentally, perhaps I missed something in Mr. Trout's post about the various models of G-40's. At some point during the A-F model changes, Coleman moved from the Chrylser 6 cyl. industrial engine to a Chrysler LA V-8. Whether it is a 318 or 360, I am not sure. However this engine is wedded to a 4 speed automatic (Allison? That's what's on mine). This power train bridged the G model upgrade. My H model has the Allis Chalmers diesel.

On a different tack, what ever happened to American Coleman? Why doesn't anyone use that style of front driving axle anymore?

Thanks.
By oldtirediron - 2 Years Ago

  In the past four months or so since my last post, I have found some information pertaining to G-40 tugs that I hope will be useful to those trying to work on their own machines.
The following is the wiring diagram for the Kysor automatic engine shutdown module that came with my machine. I have added a printable PDF below.
http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/9782bd1c-537f-4c6e-b943-3de5.png
I have also found a service manual for a '70's model online. Thanks to Craig Trout for the indescribable quantity of knowledge he has posted to this thread. I highly recommend reading his posts on these machines.
        MB-4; May 1970     (TM 55-1740-200-14, Dept of the Army Technical Manual; Operator's, Organizational, DS, and GS Maintenance Manual including Repair Parts and Special Tools List; Tractor, Wheeled, Aircraft Towing, HQ, Dept of the Army, May 1970 See more at: http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/22610/Coleman-Trucks?PageIndex=5#sthash.EN2KZUx8.dpuf 
(a post about 5 pages behind this one)
While this is for an older machine than mine, I still rely on it heavily as a reference guide. To my untrained eye, the axles and transfer case are still the same.

http://constructiontractors.tpub.com/TM-55-1740-200-14/index.htm

The last links posted below are more of a curiosity. It is the original patent for the Coleman steerable drive axle, and a patent by Coleman for a way of transmitting power to the wheels of an aircraft so it can drive itself? I don't know, I have not had a chance to read it yet.

Finally, I am looking for design specs/ drawings/ parts for the axle boots that Coleman used on the G-40-H variant. I was informed by another forum that Don Chew or Eddie Lucast might have a way of finding parts for these things? Anything helps, Thank you.

By oldtirediron - 2 Years Ago
Here are the links form the previous post. Sometimes computers are expensive windshield smashers, and even then they do not do a good job.
By oldtirediron - 2 Years Ago
A truck just showed up on craigslist that supposedly has a Coleman four wheel conversion. Trouble is, it doesn't look like a Coleman axle. Am I missing something?

http://boston.craigslist.org/bmw/cto/5583877709.html

Hopefully I have more pictures on the way.

Thanks.
By oldtirediron - 2 Years Ago
Hey UPS, welcome to the forum!

This is is kind of funny, your truck came out of Harvard Mass, right? If so, it was that truck that led me to my two spare tug axles. The seller had a spare front axle for that truck too. He tried to sell it to me but I thought it should go with the truck. Did you wind up with it? I think you should grab it if you haven't. He is trying to sell his house and that axle is not going with him. It was kind of a weird axle in that it had a offset front differential. I have never seen a Coleman front axle with an offset differential, but what do I know... I have only seen 6? Cloeman axles in my life.

Regardless, that is a beautiful truck. What do you plan to do with it?

One last question. I did not notice a transfer case engage/lockup lever. Did I miss something, or is that only an all wheel drive truck? I look forward to pictures too.

Thanks,
   Oldtirediron
By oldtirediron - Last Year
Howdy Folks,
I own a Coleman '81 G-40-H. As many of you know, there is no information about these machines... or is there.
I have recently met someone who has a lot of experience with military equipment and has found the manual for this machine. I believe it is still in production! The kicker is, even though it is a public document, only one company has access to it and they want $1000 for the service manual and the parts manual. Is there any interest for these books? If I could raise $1000, I would buy these, have them scanned, and send them to http://www.liberatedmanuals.com, making them truly public. Here is the front page of one of the books.

If anyone wants any other hard to find ex-military manuals, the offer applies to those manuals too (if they exist).

By Robbmic - 2 Years Ago
http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/c758d981-b3d8-4f20-8738-f88e.jpghttp://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/73ef2b56-64df-4baf-84d2-0821.jpghttp://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/727b0640-4c65-4a50-9c4d-bf09.jpg

Can anyone tell me if this is a Coleman conversion ?  Looks like the hubs, but an HO72 rear axle converted to a front.  Any idea what years or how many of these type made?  Any production statistics available?  I guess any info would be a great help.  Thanks.
By 30 year UPS Mechanic - 2 Years Ago
Craig I'm new on this site.I just bought the 1956 Ford T-700 6x6 with the Coleman front drive.I have a question-the front drive axle has 4 plugs-1 is the drain plug on the bottom 2 plugs are in front of the housing 1 is high and 1 is low-and a plug on the left-drivers side of the gear housing behind axle-which plug is the correct hole to fill to with gear oil? The only identification I can find on the front drive axle is a "35" number cast on the left back side of the axle housing .THANKS!! Richard Horstmeyer 785-625-7986
By NickAbbott - Last Year
Hi Craig

The CF-55-AF and F-55-AF were both used on US Airforce bases in the UK.  My father purchases a Coleman CF-55-AF and one, or possibly 2, Federal F-55-AF as ex-military stock from the US army.  He set up himself up with a breakdown and recovery business (wrecker business to you in the state)  in 1964 and I believe that he purchased them some time later - still in the 60's or early 70's.  He used the Coleman extensively for many years, including a lot of snow ploughing and heavy vehicle recovery work.  He used the federals for spares, showing how compatible they where - excluding the drive train, of course.

There is a rumour that the Coleman CF-55-AF is still around.

Kind regards
Nic
By jarradellis - Last Year
Hi there. First time joining a forum. Took a bit of research to find you guys so hopefully I'm doing this correctly!

Recently traded a truck for this frame I believe to be a former Coleman tug. I was hoping someone might have more information like gear ratios and transfer case ratio. I've seen some photos with Chrysler 318's or 360's and my transmission appears to be Chrysler. Any idea how it worked? Looks like the hydraulic hoses ran through it, had a shifter, but a torque converter also? I'm not familiar with this set up so any information at all would be greatly appreciated!
By jarradellis - Last Year
Hi, thanks for the reply! 561137 is the serial number but unfortunately I could not find a data plate on the transfer case.
By Stretch - 2 Years Ago
Craig,
Google scanned the University of Michigan's copy.
If you contact them, they may be able to make a hi resolution scan for you. I think they call them GIF's.
By Junkmandan - 2 Years Ago
Craig-------I believe this style front wheel drive was also used by International on farm tractors. My neighboring farmer in eastern NY  has what appears to be the same yoke and drive ring on his Hydro 966 tractor, with mechanical front wheel drive .
By Junkmandan - 2 Years Ago
Now that you mention it, I probably have a similar picture from last year !
By Michelle Cole - 5 Years Ago
Great pictures Shifty. The C-124 Globemaster brings back some memories. I once flew from Hickam to McClellan AFB on one. There were times that I thought I could get out and walk faster than we were flying. I thought we would never get there.

Its funny how some things never change. In the very first picture in this tread of 1929 Coleman, you could clearly see the large dome hubs. I guess they still use that same design, as least they were still using it in the 60's.

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/Uploads/Images/c2981cf9-6296-4d6e-917a-65c2.jpg
By Michelle Cole - 5 Years Ago
Shifty (24/03/2013)
Thanks Michelle
I never flew on the Shaky. Mostly C97, and KC135 the few times I flew, but if I remember it right.
Two things that aerodynamically aren't supposed to be able to fly are Bumble Bees, and C124s.


The C-97 Stratofreighter was a pretty respectable aircraft, I would consider it the penicle of prop aircraft as far as speed. I am sure it was nice to transistition from from from the C-97 Stratofreighter to the C-135 Stratotanker. It was always a mystery to me why both the cargo versions of the 97 and the 135 both had the same nick names Stratofreighter and both the KC versions had the same nick name of Stratotanker, I guess Boeing was stuck on Strato. The civil version of the C-97 was Stratocruiser, I don't remember what the civil verson of the 707 (C-135) was.

Dave, I bet those were some long rides on the Old Shaky.
By Michelle Cole - 5 Years Ago
Bill White (25/03/2013)
Michelle Cole (25/03/2013)
Shifty (24/03/2013)
Thanks Michelle
I never flew on the Shaky. Mostly C97, and KC135 the few times I flew, but if I remember it right.
Two things that aerodynamically aren't supposed to be able to fly are Bumble Bees, and C124s.


The C-97 Stratofreighter was a pretty respectable aircraft, I would consider it the penicle of prop aircraft as far as speed. I am sure it was nice to transistition from from from the C-97 Stratofreighter to the C-135 Stratotanker. It was always a mystery to me why both the cargo versions of the 97 and the 135 both had the same nick names Stratofreighter and both the KC versions had the same nick name of Stratotanker, I guess Boeing was stuck on Strato. The civil version of the C-97 was Stratocruiser, I don't remember what the civil verson of the 707 (C-135) was.

Dave, I bet those were some long rides on the Old Shaky.


"Dash 80" for the 707 is what I recall


The nick name Stratoliner comes to mind, I am not for sure. The Dash 80 was a model number.
By Michelle Cole - 5 Years Ago
Jet Stratoliner, I wasn't too far off. I knew the name Stratoliner kept on coming to mind when I got to thinking about it. The Air Force nick name for the C 47 was Skytrain, and was commonly called the Gooney bird by the flight crews and ground personell, I think the Dakota was a Navy nick name if I am not mistaken. As you mentioned the C-54 was the Skymaster and the C-118 also made by Douglas was the Liftmaster. The Douglas C-133 which looked to me like a stretched c-130 was called the Cargomaster. The cargo aircraft that was prevelent when I was in the A/F was the C-47, C-54, C-97, C-118, C-119, C-121, C-123, C-124, C-130, C-131, C133, C-141, C-5, C-17 of course after a few years the prop jobs started to dissapear and all were replaced by jets. There were a few more odd ball cargo planes that were built in small numbers. Bill, you flew C-131, did you know that there was a trainer version of the 131? It was the T-29 flying classroom. It was for navigator training. Identical to the 131 except of the door on the right side of the aircraft and the numerous aero domes on the top to shoot the stars with.
By Michelle Cole - 5 Years Ago
Your right Wayne, the C-47 version was the first platform, actually AC-47 I think was the designation. The C-47 platform was selected because it could fly so slow.

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/Uploads/Images/67e78074-b1ba-490f-865d-f3bc.jpghttp://forums.justoldtrucks.com/Uploads/Images/b160a8b6-b445-47be-8d60-6dd8.jpg
By Michelle Cole - 5 Years Ago
Yes, I had over looked the Carabou. I am not suprised that I missed one, could be more I missed. My mind fades as I get older.

This Carabou had a wreck, I have slept too many times and can't remember where the picture was taken.

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/Uploads/Images/23c62abd-2c15-4479-9780-f971.jpg

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/Uploads/Images/813052c5-a7a7-4bdf-9aae-a5e0.jpg

Another Carabou wreck. Not the same aircraft but it looks like both could have met the same fate, looks like it laid up on its right side. Makes me wonder if both was a result of a right landing gear failure.
By Michelle Cole - 5 Years Ago
Bill had mentioned that he used to fly on C-54's. Here are some pictures I made of a C-54 flight I was on in the 60's.

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/Uploads/Images/051993b5-3a3f-4d8a-8459-21a3.jpg

This was not long after take off from Hickam. We had took off the day bafore but threw a #3 prop on take off. We did a down wind leg and landed. By the time the engine and prop were replaced it was late and we opted to say over night and leave the next morning.

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/Uploads/Images/35713625-1862-4e72-bfcf-f0a5.jpg

Same aircraft, we lost #2 on the way into Wake Island. It was repaired and we were on our way the next morning.

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/Uploads/Images/f134b56b-9fca-45ed-8b2a-f638.jpg

After a successful run up we were ready to leave the next day.
By Michelle Cole - 5 Years Ago
Ed, here are some WW II glider pictures.

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/Uploads/Images/ee455a76-370a-4162-a21a-a30a.jpg

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/Uploads/Images/ae4de6e1-2763-4eb1-8aa5-ccc4.jpg

This one has the invasion stripes.

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/Uploads/Images/da7ecfa4-b58c-4b40-b62d-6949.gif

This is powered, I never knew some ended up with engines until I found this picture.
By JimF39 - 3 Years Ago
This photo was recently posted in a Facebook group. I've never seen a Coleman like this, can anyone provide some info?  The caption said "In Italy".http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/5e185a4a-9b2a-4b50-92cd-9b7e.jpg
By JimF39 - 3 Years Ago
Here's what differences that I've noticed on this unit, compared to a CF-55-AF.  The cab is set further forward, and lower over the wheels. It has a shorter, lower and narrower hood. The cowl of the cab is tapered on the sides and top to meet the hood. (smaller engine?)  The angle of the photo makes it difficult to compare wheelbases, I think it just gives the illusion of being a shorter wheelbase.
By JimF39 - 3 Years Ago
Possibly acquired surplus, and repurposed by SAME as a prime mover.
By JimF39 - 3 Years Ago


Craigslist find:

http://eastidaho.craigslist.org/cto/5270353405.html

By rubbishman - 3 Years Ago
Chrismon pictures 2 Coleman equipped CO-range chassis, one a USAF generator platform. The  windshield looks about 12' above ground line. I wonder how effective COE designs were in these applications.
By rubbishman - 3 Years Ago
Craig, sorry for delay but it is the Crismon IH book, I don't have it with me here but there are at least two photos of the units I mentioned.

I suspect that those "generic  cabs" were products of a company called "Truck Cabs Inc." This name has been mentioned on this site before. It appears they were a vendor that supplied cabs not only for trucks but various equipment such as cranes, etc. also. They all seem to have details such as the "cap roof", the one-piece stamping with drip rails formed in at the edges. 

They seemed to have  furnished most of those half-cab designs popular through the sixties. I have the hulk of a Highway boom truck with one.
By rubbishman - 3 Years Ago
http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/7ca7134b-327d-4347-9dfd-779a.jpg This is to show one example of those cabs.http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/0c2e26cd-48d5-4ab2-b44d-2df1.jpg
By rubbishman - 3 Years Ago
I have going over the Commercial Car Journal archives and posted some advertisements on another page, but have yet to see a Coleman ad or even any write ups on them under "What's New" etc.

Ads for M-H, F.A.B., Spicer and others in practically every issue through the 50's however.

Coleman must have run ads somewhere, maybe CCJ had too expensive ad rates.


By rubbishman - 2 Years Ago
http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/ba6207d0-01cd-4947-b59e-e1e1.jpghttp://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/2e381481-24a7-456d-b694-e58f.jpg
By rubbishman - Last Year
Just a thought, Applied Industrial Technologies catalogs hundreds of bearings, cups, etc. and might be a source for some Timken numbers. I got some from them for an equipment at work that I couldn't locate through automotive suppliers.
By Brocky - 5 Years Ago
Here are a couple that were at the HVTA show in Greeley CO in 2009

Ken Kafla's 1929



and Jim Grumbles 1927

By Brocky - 5 Years Ago
Craig,

Welcome to the forums. I an another 4X4 admirer.

Don Chew does not communicate by computer. Please send me an email at brocky45@prtcnet.com and I can send you his US mail addy and phone number.
By Brocky - 4 Years Ago
I believe this Minniapolis-Molene in Roger Gerhart's, Lititz PA, bone yard is a Coleman conversion?http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/ff0ba9fc-5587-4c59-9cca-8cd5.jpg
By Brocky - 4 Years Ago
Craig
Try contacting them direct:
Antique Truck Club of America
PO Box 31 
85 South Walnut Street
Boyertown PA 19512
610-367-2567
office@antiquetruckclubofamerica.org

Brocky
By Brocky - 3 Years Ago
When I was a kid our township (Town Of Caroline, Tompkins County, NY) had three of those Chevys like your third picture with Frink (??) V plows and wings on them.
By Brocky - 3 Years Ago
Craig

Again a big THANK YOU for the very interesting follow up information on the model 10 refueler..

Also in the March/April issue of Antique Power magazine (Available at Tractor Supply) the advertisment for Auman Auctions online sale ending 3/29/15 shows 3 Oliver and 1 Cockshutt farm tractors with Coleman front wheel drives, like we have talked of before.. The Cockshutt says it is #2 of 3 made.  Were these applications more popular than we might have thought???
By Brocky - 2 Months Ago
Ken Elder of Carthage NC has one similar to above buried in the back corner of one of his many barns full of tractors and trucks.
By Brocky - 2 Months Ago
The G-40.. all I can say is that it was an airport tug type vehicle. did not have my camera with me:blush::blush: !!  His open house / show is always the 1 weekend of November, mostly steam engines but has over 1300 units parked in many barns!!
By Brocky - 2 Years Ago
Craig
Thank you for the very interesting information..

Dan
IH/Farmall, Minnapolis Moline, and I believe Oliver all used this front wheel drive. I may have posted this MM at Roger Gerharts earlier in this topic

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/9d0a385c-f58b-4973-94c3-aaf6.jpg
By Brocky - 2 Years Ago
Craig
Will you have your Coleman hat on at Macungie???  Walked past it at York and did not know it was you.
By Brocky - 2 Years Ago
Craig
Did I ever post this picture of an IH/Coleman conversion at the Truckie's Hall of Fame museum in Alice Springs, Australia???
http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/2936e6b4-7699-40e5-9c73-f181.jpg
By Brocky - 2 Years Ago
Richard: Welcome to JOT and congrats on your purchase..

Tony: Thank you.. I just learned something new today!!
By Brocky - Last Year
Craig
She also needs brand specific proof readers.. This has been noted in past BOD meeting minutes.. Ask her to put you on her Coleman list.
By Brocky - Last Year
Thinking about it, probably all 4X4, to replace Don Chew.
By Brocky - 3 Years Ago
Craig

The ad says 1955 on one of the Olivers.. No date on the rest.. I do not know the exact date which Oliver, Minniaplis Moline, and Cockshutt all came under the White Motor umbrella?? Autocar was 53 and REO and DT were 58 & 59 respectfully..
By Brocky - 3 Years Ago
Why is it that every research project like yours, an answer actually asks more questions...
By Brocky - 3 Years Ago
Craig

Found this over on Big Mack Trucks site.

http://www.bigmacktrucks.com/index.php?/topic/42071-1956-ford-f-700-awd/
By Brocky - 3 Years Ago
Tim

Welcome to the board.. I am sure Mr. Trout will chime in shortly with the info you need..

Post us some more pictures of you "treasures"!!
By Brocky - 3 Years Ago
Craig
This picture of a B-75 Mack just showed up on Big Mack Trucks.  Looks like a Coleman front axle?

http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac105/ptcheshire/MACK%20B%20Model/MACKALLWHEELDRIVECARRIER_zps566a2505.jpg
By Brocky - 3 Years Ago
Craig

That cast radiator would have been stock on a B-75, BUT it looks like it has been moved forward to allow the home made instillation of the "Boom Cradle".. from the background in the picture I am guessing it is an Oklahoma / West Texas oil field truck, and some of their mechanics / welders were artists at wild and wooly fabrications!!

Thanks for the picture of the new B model.. Will see if I can move it to the BMT site
By Tutlebrain - 5 Years Ago
Interesting thread... Some Colemans and Coleman equipped IHs found their way into Israel, to be used in conditions very different from those they faced in the US. The below buses were used by Egged, Israel's largest bus & coach operator on its Sinai desert routes. They had Perkins diesels, not sure about g/boxes but the 4X4 conversion is Coleman for sure.http://www.egged.co.il/objects/HZ_128_SINAY_B_16.jpg
http://www.egged.co.il/objects/HZ_128_SINAY_B_19.jpg

http://www.egged.co.il/objects/HZ_128_SINAY_B_10.jpg

even Coleman 4X4 has it's limits:)
http://www.egged.co.il/objects/HZ_128_SINAY_B_13.jpg

Pics from Egged's page http://www.egged.co.il/main.asp?lngCategoryID=15795 (Hebrew only)
Egged preserved one which can be seen at its museum
http://www.egged.co.il/objects/38598_B_222.JPG
By Tutlebrain - 4 Years Ago
I am always struck by how European this type of US truck looks (not just the Colemans - FWDs and Oshkoshes were like this too) with the set-back axle and that long snout...
http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/f506a52c-14b2-406b-b742-d05c.jpg
and let's not forget Switzerland's Saurer - no idea if they had a look at a Coleman before coming out with their axles...
http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/3decc748-a808-4123-9a18-1421.jpg
Did Coleman ever try to offer a highway-going truck like FWD and Oshkosh?
By Tutlebrain - 4 Years Ago
Craig,

Thanks - did you mean that thing?
http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/89f0acf6-65c8-4c07-b7de-72a9.jpg
Very advanced for its time with the aerodynamic high roof - again it foreshadows modern European trucks (just look at the current Scania). Was it 4X4? 

Cheers

T

Edited to add: found more here on Google Books
By Tutlebrain - 4 Years Ago
Shame nothing came out of it in the end... 6.5MPG from a DD318 apparently. Here's more, in case anyone is interested: http://hankstruckforum.com/htforum/index.php?topic=31105.0 
By Tutlebrain - 3 Years Ago
chtrout, are you aware of any connection / licencing of Coleman's patents abroad? Reason I'm asking is the below - that's a Swiss FBW 5T army truck, you can't avoid noticing the front axle.. Am asking my European contact also. Pic by Keith Paterson.
http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/6df87e2b-b509-413f-8235-9b56.jpg 
By Tutlebrain - 3 Years Ago
Craig, 

Thanks for the reply. I'm fairly certain FBW built their axles at their own factory in Wetzikon but that's all I know. FBW together with Saurer and Berna was just another company killed by Mercedes-Benz (although the factory still makes special haulage MB trucks)...

Cheers

T

PS: Would it be nice if the Space Star is found - so far ahead of its time in concept AND looks (very modern European with that tall, high roof cab). 
By Tutlebrain - 3 Years Ago
JimF39 (10/17/2015)
Possibly acquired surplus, and repurposed by SAME as a prime mover.


Jim, to me the picture seems to be from the late 50s and at that time the CF-55-AF were still in use by the USAF (and maybe even considered as tactical equipment)?

The sign on the tractor says "Fumagalli" and the reg no. is a Milan one, so to me it's clear the Coleman belonged to Fumagalli Transporti who was a heavy transport specialist in Milan and I believe is a part of the Fagioli group (http://www.fagioli.it/Pages/Heavy-Transport_and_Lifting.aspx?lang=en-US). Whether there's still an old timer working there who may remember the Coleman I doubt but maybe they have some old photos... 
By Tutlebrain - 3 Years Ago
Some more pics of the Israeli Egged IH-Coleman buses in service in the Sinai peninsula in the 70s...
http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/c22a6e8a-d75c-4184-a79d-bf79.jpg
http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/e3e2a076-ec6d-4754-a5b9-6174.jpg
By Tutlebrain - Last Month
http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/175ddf40-5917-4632-ab35-10f1.jpg 
Another pic of the Israeli IH Coleman somewhere in the Sinai desert.
By Tutlebrain - 3 Years Ago
Craig,

You mentioned the IH with Colemen front axles, here's one of a few we had in Israel. These were used in the operator's, Egged, Sinai desert routes. One was preserved by them in derivable condition. 

Cheers

Thttp://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/0bb5fb87-9eb5-4b07-8c8e-cdcd.jpg
By Tutlebrain - 3 Years Ago
chtrout (8/2/2015)
International Trucks with IH in-plant installation of Coleman Front Drive axles...

Here is an example of an IH "RF-190 (6x6)" with an IH in-plant installation of Coleman Front Dive axles.  There are still a number of suvivors out there.   
  • Rather than the usual Coleman heavy dome hub protectors, they had a much flatter look, but still were very easy to spot.  I have never heard their true name, I have always just called them "cake pan" hub protectors.  Ha!

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/1f8802d9-1a0b-4d6e-93c2-ac15.jpg


Craig,
Thank you for the information - that heavy front axle looks even more similar to the stuff all the Swiss manufacturers used, as the pics below (by Piere Barmaz and Curdin Chistell from the Saurer FB group) show. I'm going to make further inquiries on "our" side of the world, this is a bit of a mystery...

Cheers


http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/e35a739f-4988-4aed-a56c-6340.jpg
http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/b9e444c4-3121-4538-922f-e296.jpg
By Tutlebrain - 3 Years Ago
Craig,

Thank you. Let's see what the Swiss are saying... Oh: if it makes sence, I live in Austria but grew up in Israel in the 60s and 70s.

Cheers,
T
By Tutlebrain - 3 Years Ago
No idea what's the story behind this, the pic was uploaded on the HAMB forum of all places, but I have a feeling it belongs here...

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/6d20f4e6-d5d1-4f9a-9e03-f866.jpg
By Tutlebrain - 3 Years Ago
Craig, it would make sense to post here also: http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/Forums/Mechanical-Questions-and-Answers
By Tutlebrain - 3 Years Ago
Hamish I did not see the large pic but now you mentioned it you are correct. SAME (Società Accomandita Motori Endotermici), was founded in 1942 in Treviglio (Bergamo) by the brothers Francesco and Eugenio Cassani and is now a part of the SAME Deutz-Fahr (SDF) group. They produced more than tractors but also tried to compete with the Unimog with their Samecar - and for a brief period even made trucks but wisely pulled out realizing they were too small to compete with companies such as Fiat, MAN, MB, Volvo and so on. I have no idea what's the story behind the Coleman-SAME but to me it's either a later attempt by an operator to save fuel by replacing an original gasoline engine with a SAME diesel or something SAME did themselves, possibly as a part of an evaluation excercise.
The below pics are from the SDF archives (http://www.archiviostoricosamedeutz-fahr.com/catalogo/?pp=1&ipp=25&heading_id=4535 - I went through them and there's no trace of the Coleman-SAME) - does the axle look familiar (this is the Unimog competitor)?

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/7bb1f2c8-f10a-4f97-a9a9-bde3.jpg  
The below is the "Dinosaurio", the biggest tractor SAME offered in the 60s

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/d80c25e4-9219-472a-9564-50b7.jpg

... and the "Elefante" truck range, 4X4 or 6X4 with front driven axle.

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/e695db16-d3ea-4127-b5ac-f6ff.jpg
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SAME home page: http://www.same-tractors.com/en-GB/  
and their archives in English http://www.archiviostoricosamedeutz-fahr.com/en/. There is a contact page so it might be worth it to get in touch with them? 
By Lynn D - 5 Years Ago
I don't have pictures but we had alot of Coleman aircraft tugs in the Air Force, they sported a suicide knob and front and rear steering, you could make'em do all kinds of crazy things, like going down the flight line sideways. I don't remember what engines they had but will never forget the electric clutch with the clutch button on the gear shift knob. I got a real butt chewing from a CWO for taking a C-130 out of his hanger too fast, but he also said I was the best he'd ever seen on backing, what he didn't know was they backed just like a hay wagon. The Coleman didn't have a left and right brake like a farm tractor, but the front and rear steering made up for it.
By Lynn D - 5 Years Ago
Thanks Tony, that's it.
By Lynn D - 5 Years Ago
wayne graham (26/03/2013)
Michelle, The c 47 was what they used to make Puff the Magic Dragon. The most awesome fire-power display ever at night. Later they made one out of a 130 I think. Wayne
Right on Wayne the C-47 Puff used to fly over Nam and cut loose with the guns, i used to know how many rounds between tracers but have since forgotten but it actually looked like a solid red neon light coming down, when they converted the C-130 to a gun ship they claimed to be able to fly over a football field and put a bullet in every square foot of the field.
By Lynn D - 5 Years Ago
Chelle you left out the C-7 which the Army gave us and affectionetly named it the Caribou. I bet Wayne saw alot of em over yonder.
By Lynn D - 5 Years Ago
Michelle I don't know why the Caribou came to mind, maybe because they were stationed at Cam Ranh Bay along with our Herks, I got to or had to(depending on how you look at it) fly on one to Ben Hou one night to fix my 130 that got hit on take off. When it comes to remembering I'm terrible and couldn't name half of the ones you did. Thanks to you and Bill for the pics.
By Lynn D - 5 Years Ago
Shifty your right we have totally hijacked this thread, but while we're at it I think the B-52 was one of the ugliest planes sitting on the ground and one of the prettiest in the air due to their wing lift, alot of flex for sure.
By cookieten - 5 Years Ago
Hi guys! I am wondering if anybody would be willing to share a higher-res vintage image of the Federal (F-55-AF) or Coleman (CF-55-AF). I am building a calendar for PWAM down in Pueblo and having one heck of a time trying to find some good images of this tug at work or in the factory. YES! This unique vehicle gets its own page but I need more for it :) We photographed some great models all over the one they have but I thought it would be really special to have a vintage image included with the calendar page. As you can imagine, good images of this rare vehicle are hard to find. Any help would be much appreciated and I will give you full credit in the calendar for use of the image(s). Email me at cookieten AT yahoo.com. Thank you so much :)

Thanks in advance!

Celia

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By Hamish - 3 Years Ago
ColoradoGreen (1/4/2015)
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Little Joe.

That's a neat survivor Troy. Is the tandem rear end factory? GMC cab by the look of it. I wonder if it's going to get repowered with the Series 60-probably a bit much engine for it.


By Hamish - 3 Years Ago
[quote]JimF39 (10/15/2015)
This photo was recently posted in a Facebook group. I've never seen a Coleman like this, can anyone provide some info?  The caption said "In Italy".http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/5e185a4a-9b2a-4b50-92cd-9b7e.jpg[

When you look at the big photo John Francis posted it appears to have the letters SAME at the top of the grille. SAME was and still is as far as I know an Italian tractor manufacturer that specialised in 4wd tractors with their own air cooled diesel engines. The other truck looks like a Diamond T 980/981.
By Hamish - 3 Years Ago
Tutlebrain (10/16/2015)
Hamish I did not see the large pic but now you mentioned it you are correct. SAME (Società Accomandita Motori Endotermici), was founded in 1942 in Treviglio (Bergamo) by the brothers Francesco and Eugenio Cassani and is now a part of the SAME Deutz-Fahr (SDF) group. They produced more than tractors but also tried to compete with the Unimog with their Samecar - and for a brief period even made trucks but wisely pulled out realizing they were too small to compete with companies such as Fiat, MAN, MB, Volvo and so on. I have no idea what's the story behind the Coleman-SAME but to me it's either a later attempt by an operator to save fuel by replacing an original gasoline engine with a SAME diesel or something SAME did themselves, possibly as a part of an evaluation excercise.
The below pics are from the SDF archives (http://www.archiviostoricosamedeutz-fahr.com/catalogo/?pp=1&ipp=25&heading_id=4535 - I went through them and there's no trace of the Coleman-SAME) - does the axle look familiar (this is the Unimog competitor)?

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/7bb1f2c8-f10a-4f97-a9a9-bde3.jpg  
The below is the "Dinosaurio", the biggest tractor SAME offered in the 60s

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/d80c25e4-9219-472a-9564-50b7.jpg

... and the "Elefante" truck range, 4X4 or 6X4 with front driven axle.

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/e695db16-d3ea-4127-b5ac-f6ff.jpg
http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/e208afba-6a7d-4f3a-98ef-1c7f.jpg

SAME home page: http://www.same-tractors.com/en-GB/  
and their archives in English http://www.archiviostoricosamedeutz-fahr.com/en/. There is a contact page so it might be worth it to get in touch with them? 

Thanks for posting these pictures, Tutlebrain, interesting stuff-although as you say, no trace of anything that looks to be related to Coleman.
By Hamish - 2 Years Ago
ppsyclone (3/18/2016)
I am betting this special GMC has a Coleman front axle.

http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/motor_carrier/1948/11/scan027.jpg


This would have made a great WAI?, Jeff. Unless you were in the know there doesn't look to be anything on here to identify it as a GMC.
By Hamish - Last Year
Very interesting Craig regarding the 1949 G-55. Looks like it's powered by a 4 cylinder NH Cummins diesel now.
By Linntractornut - 5 Years Ago
Did anyone ask Don Chew how he found that Coleman in the nudist colony? Howe Bros. in Troy, NY built the Coleman units out here, popular on Chevy and GMC in the early 1950's when Walter and Oshkosh started getting expensive and towns realized they were expensive to use as regular dumptrucks. I always regarded Don Chew as the 4WD expert, hope he is still doing well.
By Linntractornut - 5 Years Ago
I think they made a tractor-dump trailer unit in the mid or late 1920's like a Euclid? I've seen pictures of such a unit both on the bridge replacement rt 8 Noblesboro, NY c. 1927 and c. 1930 in Palatine/Danube NY along the barge canal. Tom Siemons (Sterling owner) had sent me a photo of a Quickway? shovel on a Coleman at an old mine down in PA about 20 years ago, hope someone saved that one.
By Shifty - 5 Years Ago
Don't recall where I got these factory photos, but enjoy.
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By Shifty - 5 Years Ago
Thanks Michelle
I never flew on the Shaky. Mostly C97, and KC135 the few times I flew, but if I remember it right.
Two things that aerodynamically aren't supposed to be able to fly are Bumble Bees, and C124s.
By Shifty - 5 Years Ago
OK. As long as we have totally hijacked this thread, and I was an Arc Light troop myself.
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By Shifty - 5 Years Ago
Eddie
Here's a picture of the cockpit. (WACO GC4A)
This part was hinged, so cargo, or troops could be loaded.
The gliders were towed by C46s, and C 47s with a rope 300 feet long about 150 mph.

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By Bill White - 5 Years Ago
Michelle Cole (25/03/2013)
Shifty (24/03/2013)
Thanks Michelle
I never flew on the Shaky. Mostly C97, and KC135 the few times I flew, but if I remember it right.
Two things that aerodynamically aren't supposed to be able to fly are Bumble Bees, and C124s.


The C-97 Stratofreighter was a pretty respectable aircraft, I would consider it the penicle of prop aircraft as far as speed. I am sure it was nice to transistition from from from the C-97 Stratofreighter to the C-135 Stratotanker. It was always a mystery to me why both the cargo versions of the 97 and the 135 both had the same nick names Stratofreighter and both the KC versions had the same nick name of Stratotanker, I guess Boeing was stuck on Strato. The civil version of the C-97 was Stratocruiser, I don't remember what the civil verson of the 707 (C-135) was.

Dave, I bet those were some long rides on the Old Shaky.


"Dash 80" for the 707 is what I recall
By Bill White - 5 Years Ago
1972 Coleman Tug, 2 axle steering, 318 Chrysler industrial engine, Allison 4-speed auto transmission, weighs 13,000lbs, designed to pull 100,000lbs







By Bill White - 5 Years Ago
1955 Coleman Tug Chrysler Industrial IND-6A Flathead engine

By Bill White - 5 Years Ago
Shifty, Great photos
By Bill White - 5 Years Ago
Coleman CF-55-AF Tug also built by Federal F-55-AF was a license built version

Built by two American companies Federal (F-55-AF) and Coleman (CF-55-AF) these tugs were made up of two GM cabs welded together, had 4-wheel steering and were powered by a Buda LO-525 6cyl engine producing 125bhp.











By Bill White - 5 Years Ago
Michelle Cole (25/03/2013)
Bill White (25/03/2013)
Michelle Cole (25/03/2013)
Shifty (24/03/2013)
Thanks Michelle
I never flew on the Shaky. Mostly C97, and KC135 the few times I flew, but if I remember it right.
Two things that aerodynamically aren't supposed to be able to fly are Bumble Bees, and C124s.


The C-97 Stratofreighter was a pretty respectable aircraft, I would consider it the penicle of prop aircraft as far as speed. I am sure it was nice to transistition from from from the C-97 Stratofreighter to the C-135 Stratotanker. It was always a mystery to me why both the cargo versions of the 97 and the 135 both had the same nick names Stratofreighter and both the KC versions had the same nick name of Stratotanker, I guess Boeing was stuck on Strato. The civil version of the C-97 was Stratocruiser, I don't remember what the civil verson of the 707 (C-135) was.

Dave, I bet those were some long rides on the Old Shaky.


"Dash 80" for the 707 is what I recall


The nick name Stratoliner comes to mind, I am not for sure. The Dash 80 was a model number.


On July 15, 1954, the Boeing 707 prototype took off from Renton Field in Seattle. Nicknamed the Dash 80
Stratoliner was a name Boeing gave in 1938 to a model 307. And the 707 airliner was called Jet Stratoliner. I flew C-47 (Dakota) first then C-54 (Skymaster) and then Convair C-131 (Samaritan)
By Bill White - 5 Years Ago
Michelle Cole (26/03/2013)
Jet Stratoliner, I wasn't too far off. I knew the name Stratoliner kept on coming to mind when I got to thinking about it. The Air Force nick name for the C 47 was Skytrain, and was commonly called the Gooney bird by the flight crews and ground personell, I think the Dakota was a Navy nick name if I am not mistaken. As you mentioned the C-54 was the Skymaster and the C-118 also made by Douglas was the Liftmaster. The Douglas C-133 which looked to me like a stretched c-130 was called the Cargomaster. The cargo aircraft that was prevelent when I was in the A/F was the C-47, C-54, C-97, C-118, C-119, C-121, C-123, C-124, C-130, C-131, C133, C-141, C-5, C-17 of course after a few years the prop jobs started to dissapear and all were replaced by jets. There were a few more odd ball cargo planes that were built in small numbers. Bill, you flew C-131, did you know that there was a trainer version of the 131? It was the T-29 flying classroom. It was for navigator training. Identical to the 131 except of the door on the right side of the aircraft and the numerous aero domes on the top to shoot the stars with.


Yes I knew about the T-29, we called the C-47 A Dakota or Gooney bird but I liked the Dakota better and some times Skytrain, Dakata was an RAF name. I liked the C-131 the best.
By Bill White - 5 Years Ago
Douglas AC-47D Spooky aka "Puff, the Magic Dragon"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKOrpyO0z48

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73SciCMf9Rw
By Bill White - 5 Years Ago
Lynn D (27/03/2013)
Chelle you left out the C-7 which the Army gave us and affectionetly named it the Caribou. I bet Wayne saw alot of em over yonder.


Lynn, Here you are.

C-7A/B These designations were applied to all 144 Caribous transferred to the U.S. Air Force by the U.S. Army.

Bill
By Bill White - 5 Years Ago
Dak Pek Vietnam Crash



The aircraft just before impact



After the crash, in which the right wing was torn off and burning in the background



A view of the crash scene from the approach end of the runway



Close-up of the burning right wing and right main gear



View of the wreckage of the fuselage from the rear. From the "189" on the tail, it can be determined that this was aircraft serial number 62-4189



Nose of the aircraft



By Bill White - 5 Years Ago
Michelle Cole (28/03/2013)
Bill had mentioned that he used to fly on C-54's. Here are some pictures I made of a C-54 flight I was on in the 60's.

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This was not long after take off from Hickam. We had took off the day bafore but threw a #3 prop on take off. We did a down wind leg and landed. By the time the engine and prop were replaced it was late and we opted to say over night and leave the next morning.

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Same aircraft, we lost #2 on the way into Wake Island. It was repaired and we were on our way the next morning.

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After a successful run up we were ready to leave the next day.


Thanks Michelle, lots of memories here..........Bill
By Bill White - 4 Years Ago
The Village of Rantoul, ILL.Home of Chanute AFB now decommissioned is where it is the Village owns it and it is at the old AFB. Rantoul is south of Chicago
By Aaron - Last Year
Craig, if there hasn't been an article recently in WOT put one together and send it in,Stormy is always complaining about not getting enough stories.
By bill murray - 3 Years Ago
Found this a couple of minutes ago.
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By bill murray - 2 Years Ago
Something to add to the collection.  Picked it off the net today.

Bill

http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/forum/phpbb/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=15843
By bill murray - 4 Years Ago
I found this issue of the Field Artillery Journal online yesterday while looking for something else.
As I did not find it on this thread I thought the group might enjoy it.

I did not split out the Coleman chapter as the rest of the magazine is a really interesting read if you have
a spare hour or two.  Use of airplanes in other than air combat, views on German and French equipment/tactics/personnel etc.
Also of great interest to me is that it was written by A.W.Herrington as an advisor to the Field Artillery Branch, the same
Arthur Herrington that six years later would form Marmon-Herrington and would of course do a lot of business with
not only the US military but armies all over the world.
I hope it interesting as additional background to the Coleman story.
Bill


http://sill-www.army.mil/firesbulletin/archives/1925/JUL_AUG_1925/JUL_AUG_1925_FULL_EDITION.pdf



By bill murray - 4 Years Ago
Hi Craig:

Thanks for the additional info and I hope my link was something new for you.
All of us have our own "Niches" in the field of automotive research and I fear mine has always been photos
rather then the history of a given company or it's founders  In far too many cases, I am happy with the maker name and
a proper year, often skipping the exact model number.

The only possible exception is a Retired Marine Corps Major General I was put in touch with in 1970, F.S. Robillard.
My Dad had recently retired also as a Major General in the Marine Corps and he was helping me a bit with my research
and put me in touch with Gen. Robillard whom he had known slightly.  Turns out that Gen. Robillard was sort of a one
man pitchman for International Harvester and their M Series of trucks.  He was heavily involved in the development of both
the 4X4 and 6X6 variants that were supplied to USMC and USN as the Army required virtually all the output of GM, Ford and
Chrysler.  As well, the 4X4 Inters replaced a range of Marmon-Herrington models used by USMC in the years just prior to
WWII.  Gen. Robillard sent me several boxes of literature, engineering reports and tech manuals on Inters and other stuff and
we had just started up a sort of dialogue when he rather suddenly passed away in 1971.  So, I never really put the story together.

It would be interesting to know if he and Herrington ever worked together when USMC was using Marmon-Herrington products.
I will try to find the little correspondence we had to see if I can find anything interesting.  Sadly, it is most likely buried in a box
somewhere in the basement but I will have a look.

I would also like to mention here that I really appreciate all the research you have done on the Coleman brand and it's offshoots.
I know how much effort that takes.

Bill
By bill murray - 3 Years Ago
Craig:

Do you have this item which I believe is an export catalog that is buried somewhere in my files.  I copied some of the photos so let me know
if I should look for it.  If you need it and if I can find it, it's yours for the taking.

Edit:  I don't post many photos here so they did not turn out inline.  One is a Ford, one an Inter and I suspect from early 1950s.
There are 4 other photos.

Bill

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By bill murray - 3 Years Ago
Hi Craig:

Nice to know it is something that is new to you.

Apologies again for the lousy photo presentation, I am  not at all computer savvy.  I do spell well, though.

OK, here is the rest of what I downloaded a long time ago.  Sorry for the quality but it is better than nothing.
I will do the basement search tomorrow to see if I can find the original materiel.

Bill

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By bill murray - 3 Years Ago
Hi Craig:

My email address is mostoysinc@aol.com which I do not hide.  Most anyone can contact me.  The Good Guys way outnumber the Bad Guys.

Bill
By Mike Kellett - 5 Years Ago
Celia, It's my understanding there may be at least one of these Coleman cabs in a salvage yard in Dodge City, Kansas. When I was young there were two that sat in a ditch on the edge of town. I am hoping one of them survived. If I locate I will post pics. These things were used quite a little in this area as the old WWII bomber bases were used for training for several more years.
By Scott Ales - 4 Years Ago
We farmed with a G706 Minneapolis Moline back in the 1970s and 80s.  It was a 4 wheel assist system that had a 6-8 row wide chain drive in the transfer case!  I tore into it one day since the front axle wasn't working properly and found that massive chain.  I kind of laughed to myself when I first saw it.  Thinking, it's just a bigger version of my Schwinn Bicycle.  Anyway, that thing was a beast.  We had huge "Rice Type" tires on it and they all had a hand clutch.  I have fond memories of out-pulling our neighbors new 4x4 John Deere for 1/10 the cost.  

We also had a funny event with the old girl.  My brother was having a senior high beer party at our farm in 1979 and one guy got out of hand over the loss of a girlfriend and several glasses of beer.  Someone ran up to me explaining he was pounding on our tractor or even beating it up!  I asked where he was hitting it, the guy said, " I think the grille"  I told him not to worry, the grille will win that fight, it's cast iron!  The only thing I found was a little blood which washed off easily.

Youthful ignorance!
By Scott Ales - 4 Years Ago
That is absolutely the case I remember!  We sold that tractor in 1983 or 4 I think.  I do remember large domed covers over the end of the axles too.  

I'll try to dig up an old photo.
By wayne graham - 5 Years Ago
Michelle, The c 47 was what they used to make Puff the Magic Dragon. The most awesome fire-power display ever at night. Later they made one out of a 130 I think. Wayne
By wayne graham - 5 Years Ago
Michelle, Theere is no way to tell how many lives were saved by Puff but I know a few. Words cannot describe how good he looked one night. Wayne
By wayne graham - 5 Years Ago
Lynn, In Army ammo it was every 5th round. I don't know bout what the air force used. you are right it was just a solid red stream to the naked eye. Yeah we saw plenty of the caribou but I had forgotten till you brought it up. I repressed the memories for so long and now when I want one it is some times not all there at first. Wayne
By wayne graham - 5 Years Ago
Michelle, They were a very busy little work horse in Nam. Most important of all they brought a lot of mail. Wayne
By wayne graham - 5 Years Ago
The 2nd most awesome thing I ever saw from an air craft was a B 52 do a touch and go at an air show. The first of course was the afore mentioned PUFF. Wayne
By wayne graham - 5 Years Ago
Eddy, that would take a lot of guts. I understand why he won't talk about it. You just saw me post everything I can say about what I was in and the va has sent me to several shrinks just to say that much. My hat is off to your step dad, Wayne
By wayne graham - 4 Years Ago
Steve, I would guess that there is one  too many zero's. That one probably came off  Chanute air base at Rantoul. If so it has not been used for years as a tug. Wayne
By chtrout - 5 Years Ago
Greetings fellow Coleman Truck Enthusiasts! 

My name is Craig Trout, I was born and raised in Littleton, Colorado, and I guess you could say I am a "Coleman Brat," through and through.

My late father, Harold V. Trout, worked at Coleman for 30 years (1950-1980) and I used to love to go down to see him at work and wander around the production lines and the erecting floor. My earliest memory of the Coleman "West Plant" (just across Curtis Street from their main building on Nevada Street) was it being jammed absolutely full of two long rows of simply huge Coleman CF-55-AF double-cab Air Force towing tractors receiving their finishing touches (or at least they seemed huge to a young boy about 4-5 years old). Coleman was in the midst of finishing a major 9.5 million dollar contract (1951) for the Air Force, and they were often shipping several railroad flat cars of CF-55-AF's a week. My memory is that they were shipped all over the world, mainly being slated for tug duties with B-36's and other heavy bombers.  Most were yellow, but I remember at least one large run in olive drab dress also. They looked so strange with those two back-to-back cabs welded together...

In later years, I was fascinated by the huge rotary snow plows built under license for the SnowBlast Corporation, and of course the legions of MB-4's that totally dominated the production lines for many years. I also remember the prototype cab-over-engine 4x4 "Space Star" that also had 4-wheel steering and was integrated as one unit with what would ordinarily be an 18-wheeler trailer. It was usually parked outside the West Plant between company runs picking up castings, or delivering axles.  Coleman also made various truck spotting vehicles, such as the "Champion-500" and even experimented with a pickup-mounted street sweeper called the "PiggyVac."  Of course, their production lines always included a very steady stream of 4x4 conversions for a wide range of commercial vehicles, to include Chevy's, Fords, Dodge, International Harvester, GMC's and such.

As a coincidence, my late father grew up in Carbondale, Colorado where Harleigh Holmes first did his first drive train experiments in around 1916-1917 or so while managingr a local reservoir & irrigation company as his "day job."

I have a great interest in the early years under Harleigh R. Holmes, then Plains Motor Company, and eventually Coleman Motors after the late 1923 move from the Plains Motors plant at Larimer & 8th streets in Denver back to South Nevada Street in Littleton. In the future, I will be posting short items about the "Coleman Truck Family Tree," to include Holmes Trucks, Plains Motors Company Trucks, and of course those fascinating early Colemans.  I also have a strong interest in those companies that Coleman had a strong working relationship with, such as the Colombian Steel Tank Co., Quick-Way Truck Shovel Co., Howe-Coleman, International Harvester, Marmon-Herrington, and SnowBlast Corporation.    

I look forward to postings by others with similar interests.

Craig 
Loudoun County, Virginia
By chtrout - 5 Years Ago
Hi Eddy,

Don Chew's name comes up repeatedly in my research, but I have never met him. His published articles are excellent. Do you have any contact information for him? I would very much like to connect with him.

Thanks!
Craig
By chtrout - 5 Years Ago
Hi Tony,

As I round up my files, I hope to start posting some of the more unusual items for everyone's enjoyment and comments.

Craig
By chtrout - 5 Years Ago
My understanding is that there were perhaps (8) or so restored Coleman Trucks in the recent "Western Welcome" parade in Littleton this August. Did anyone attend and take pictures?

– Craig
By chtrout - 5 Years Ago
What a FANTASTIC video! Thanks for sharing!

I have already watched it about 8 times trying to pick out the "model number" and probable year-group for each of the four early-model Coleman Trucks towards the end. I see Ken Kafka's 1929 (DD-40?), does anyone know who owns the other early ones?

And "what in the world" was that first-in-line, low-cut utility vehicle? In all my years around Coleman, I never saw one on the production floor or in sales brochures.

Thanks again for sharing!!

Craig Trout
By chtrout - 5 Years Ago
Is anyone in contact with Celia? (See her 10 Sep 2013 post)

I set aside some "CF-55-AF" photos for her pending PWAM museum photo calendar project, but in writing to her posted email address, I got no response.

For everyone else, the CF-55-AF were those big double-cab monsters developed to tow B-36s and other heavy bombers of the late 40s and early 50s

• The first order in 1949 consisted of (49) units mounted with back-to-back Ford cabs.

• The second order in 1950 of (73) units and is when I believe they experimented with Coleman-fabricated cabs with Ford 1945-1947 doors.

• The third order in 1951 consisted of (495) units, and these are the most familiar to everyone with back-to-back Chevy cabs (some sources say GMC, but essentially "same-same"). There are by far the most survivors out of this Coleman "Class of 1951."

• As a child, I remember a few later runs of smaller numbers of CF-55-AFs, both in yellow and olive drab, but I do not have any details. I do remember as a small child that these big guys were flat huge. It was a real scramble when I was invited up into a cab!

The other major product line in the very early 1950's was the "G-55" heavy truck with all it's many variants, and of course a very steady stream of commercial truck 4-wheel-drive conversions -- fire trucks, utility trucks, surveyor crew trucks, and mainly snow-plow-mounted trucks. They also shipped a huge number of axles, I assume to Howe-Coleman. I also remember an experimental "swamp buggy" with huge tractor tires, but I don't think much ever came of it.

Craig
By chtrout - 2 Months Ago
Got Literature? Coleman 4x4 Farm Tractor Literature, that is?

One of the enduring mysteries in my very detailed research into the history of Coleman Motors and its successor, American Coleman, is attempting to find additional documentation regarding the American Coleman series of 4x4 farm tractors.   My dear friend, the late Don Chew, did a very brief article in "Antique Power" (March/April 2001), but that is about it. 

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Coleman company photo of a Coleman 4x4 Farm Tractor, perhaps in Eastern Colorado or Kansas. Note the Coleman heavy dome hub-protectors (front and rear), boldly lettered as "Coleman Four Wheel Drive." The unit also had four-wheel-steering. Also note the enclosed, air-conditioned cab. In world where a half-day's work consisted of 12 hours, creature comforts were now slowly creeping into the farmer's daily work life.
Source: Coleman Company Photo, Craig H. Trout collection, please credit.


•     What strikes me is that I have never seen either a catalog sheet or a magazine ad for a Coleman 4x4 Farm Tractor, and it seems like they would have been doing a very big "publicity push" as they tried to break into the agricultural market.

For forum members not familiar with Coleman 4x4 farm tractors, Coleman had been experimenting with various muskeg and farm tractor prototypes in the late 1940s, with at least one model incorporating a "Wilcock" swivel-frame. Then in 1954, Coleman began developing a number of prototypes for the US Army Corps of Engineers, for what would eventually evolve into the more formal "FAMECE" (Family of Military Engineering Construction Equipment) program. This was in response to military "requirements" to establish a very standardized set of construction vehicles that would utilize a common prime mover (Universal Engineer Tractor – "UET") that could interchangeably act as a loader, dozer, pull a scraper (earth mover), and also perform other similar military construction roles. The equipment was required to be very transportable, to include air-drop capability. As many as 5-6 companies entered into the very stiff prototype competition, but the final contract was eventually awarded to Clark Equipment Company in 1980.

Along the way, Coleman also looked at industrial and agricultural applications as potential alternate markets for their "FAMECE UET"-inspired prototypes, hence the Coleman 4x4 Farm Tractor entry in to the agricultural market. I do not have any hard dates, but I "suspect" this was in the early-to-mid 1960s.

From what I can learn so far, only about 8-12 were actually sold, primarily to farmers in Eastern Colorado and Kansas. I have only identified two survivors, and both have significant modifications.


•     To my very great surprise, one survivor has an International Harvester "UD-525" engine (ordinarily a skid-mounted stationary engine) that appears to be original equipment. I am not an "IH guy," but I am told that the engine in the company photo above "might" also be an IH "UD-525." I had never encountered an IH engine in a Coleman product before (that I know of), but Coleman did have a very close working relationship with IH, and had sold them many hundreds of FDAs (front drive axles) as special-order options for both their IH heavy truck and Farmall farm tractor assembly lines.

 •     The only other survivor I have identified has a "478 GMC Toro-Flow V-6" diesel engine that obviously appears to be a replacement.

 •     Neither of the two survivors have the enclosed, air-conditioned cab, as pictured above, but have two different cabs entirely.


 >>> Research Question Has anyone ever seen a spec sheet, catalog page, magazine ad, or newspaper article for a Coleman 4x4 Farm Tractor?  Or additional photos?

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig
By chtrout - 2 Months Ago
American Coleman G-40 (USAF designation "MB-4") Up for Auction.

American Coleman G-40 (USAF designation "MB-4") up for auction on 14 Feb 2018 in Sidney, Nebraska.

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  •     Based on the serial number (560074), this would appear to be a "G-40-B1" from the January 1960 contract. 
  •     It looks fairly complete, except for the front bumper / ballast weight being removed and replaced with a snow-plow mounting bracket. 
  •     Sadly, it appears that the Coleman builders plate has been pilfered from the right side of the dash board, but all the Coleman-script name plates appear to be present on the sides of the hood and near the top of the radiator cowling. 
  •     A video shows it running, and it appears to be a fairly good "find."
The following is a link to the "BigIron" auction site:

https://www.bigiron.com/Lots/ColemanAircraftTug#.WncsCEctKXg.facebook

I play no role in this auction, I simply try to promote the preservation of Coleman survivors when I can. 

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig
By chtrout - 2 Months Ago
Brocky (2/4/2018)
Ken Elder of Carthage NC has one similar to above buried in the back corner of one of his many barns full of tractors and trucks.


Brocky, are you referring to the Coleman G-40 or the Coleman 4x4 Farm Tractor?  Either way, potentiallly very interesting...

Thanks for sharing!
By chtrout - Last Year
ATHS Show Time "Errors" on 1929 Coleman Truck

I was truly delighted to see Larry and Melanie Maasdam's beautifully-restored 1929 Coleman D-40XX get such attractive coverage in the 2017 edition of "ATHS Show Time" (pages 50-51). 

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Larry and Melanie Maasdam's beautifully-restored 1929 Coleman D-40XX
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Larry and Melanie Maasdam proudly posing in front of their beautifully-restored 1929 Coleman D-40XX which made it's debut at the 2017 ATHS truck show in Des Moines.
Source:  Craig H. Trout photo, please credit


The brief twp-page feature article includes nice photos, and is "nicely" written, but my heart just sank when I got down to the very brief "snippets" on the "supposed history" of Coleman Motors, reporting that the company had been "founded in 1923 by G.L. Coleman of Omaha, but it did not start making trucks until it moved to Littleton in 1925" – not even remotely accurate. The write-up goes on to report that the "first" Coleman (nee "Plains," nee "Holmes") Trucks were powered by BUDA 4-cylinder engines, when in fact the original 1920 Holmes Trucks were first powered by war-surplus Hinkley “HAA 400" 4 -cylinder engines, although Holmes soon switched to the 4-cylinder BUDA "YBU" and "YBUI" engine series.

>> For those of our readers with an ongoing interest in the early history of Coleman Motors, the following is a very quick synopsis:

•    Without drowning everyone in excessive details, the original "Holmes Front Drive" (HFD) company was actually founded in 1916 by inventor Harleigh R. Holmes, and after a series of experiments and improvements to his several patents, full truck production actually began as the "Holmes Truck Company" in Littleton, Colorado in 1920.

•    By late summer of 1922, the "Plains Ironworks" in Denver had become financially interested in the Holmes Truck Company, and by late 1922, production was then very briefly moved to the Plains Ironworks plant in Denver, and the existing truck was then simply "re-branded" as the "Plains Truck." When the Plains Ironworks failed several months later (early 1923), production was then immediately returned to Littleton, but continuing on with the "Plains Truck" brand name, since it had already achieved a good level of "name-recognition," due to extensive advertising and sales promotions.

•    Now while this was all going on, two wealthy investors from Miami, Oklahoma, Alfred Elliott Coleman and his younger brother George Levi Coleman, had taken a financial interest in Plains Ironworks in 1922, and in that same year, then founded "Coleman Motors" as a simple financial holding company, with the intent of eventually acquiring controlling interest in the (then) "Plains Truck." They continued their incremental investments until they eventually obtained total financial control in March 1924, and in that year (1924), The "Plains (nee Holmes) Truck" was finally re-branded as the "Coleman Truck."

•    To clarify, it was always the "same truck," the "branding" simply evolved over these indicated years, along with continuous mechanical improvements.

Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but for the "true-blue" Coleman history buffs among our readers, I did not want this ATHS article to now introduce any lingering confusion.
By chtrout - Last Year
Aaron, yes, my plan exactly... I tried repeatedly to track down Stormy in Des Moines to request a copy of her "editorial standards" for submissions, but always missed her...  I will give her a call and see what her requirements are.

By chtrout - Last Year
Wow, Brocky, what a truly great suggestion!  I will absolutely volunteer as a "Coleman"-specific proof-reader.  And if I don't know an answer, I almost always have a contact who does. 

Thanks Brocky!
By chtrout - Last Year
Again, truly great suggestion -- I will offer!  

Gosh I miss Don, I think perhaps many of us do!
By chtrout - Last Year
Hey Tony,

What a great table of IH tractor model numbers with Coleman FDA's...  

Did you find that table somewhere, or did you create it from your own research.?  Thanks for the great link also!

Craig
By chtrout - Last Year
Jeff Lakaszcyck (10/6/2017)
Craig, your PM box is full, so I can't reply to your message. You can email me at lakaszjl@aol.com .


Hey Jeff, 

Thanks, I have just mended my evil ways and emptied my PM folder.  Wish there was a way to archive all that...
When I tried to email you within the JOT system, it bounced, but worked just fine using the same email address outside the JOT system.  

Craig


By chtrout - Last Year
1929 Coleman D-40XX Makes Its "Truck Show" Debut at ATHS Des Moines

Larry and Melanie Maasdam were very proud to enter their beautifully-restored 1929 Coleman D-40XX in its "first truck show ever" on May 25th-27th at the American Truck Historical Society (ATHS) Convention and Truck Show at the Iowa State Fairgrounds in Des Moines, Iowa.

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Official ATHS record shot of Larry and Melanies Maasdam's 1929 Coleman, as it will appear in the upcoming
issue of "Show Time."  Source:  ATHS Photo



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The 1929 Coleman, as it appeared after Melanie mounted the yellow oval Coleman builder's badges and
black-on-white Coleman name plates that I had provided to them for their truck.  We just wish we had them
mounted "before" the official ATHS photo had been taken.  Source:  Craig H. Trout photo, please credit.
 


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The venerable old 1929 Coleman Serial #2381 is powered with a BUDA BA-6 engine #199588. 
Source: Craig H. Trout photo, please credit. 

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Note the PERFEX radiator and piano-hinge doors on the Coleman-fabricated all-weather cab. By about 1931,
Coleman had switched to sliding doors. That's Larry Maasdam to the left, and me in the cab. 

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Melanie Maasdam very proudly mounting the Coleman name plate above the visor.  I think Melanie is every
bit as proud of their 1929 Coleman as Larry is -- if not even more so!  It was fun to see her pamper her "Glamour
Girl."

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Larry and Melanie Maasdam pose proudly in front of their beautifully-restored 1929 Coleman 

Although the original brass data plate is missing from inside the cab, based on the chassis serial number, BUDA BA-6 engine, 130" wheelbase, and the 6-inch frame rails, very preliminary identification of this truck model is a "Coleman D-40XX," available in ether 3 ½ or 5-ton models. Research continues. As with all Colemans of this era, the truck has a 56" tread, and the frame rails are spaced 30" apart.

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Larry fabricated that stake bed and also added the replacement gas tanks, but otherwise, it is close to original,
including being very near the official Coleman company color of "Cardinal Red." The passenger-side front
fender also appears to be a replacement, although very nicely done.


While it is not yet known if it was delivered with a standard Wood-brand 3-yard dump bed of the times, at some point, an intermediate owner had substituted a 5th wheel for pulling around a rock crusher.

I could not find a data plate on the transfer case, but the housing casting is marked "E101."

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Details of the cab interior, including the patented Coleman leaf-spring-mounted seat.  The original data plate
would have been mounted high in the far corner.

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Very simple cab controls. 

Also, I found no sign of a spare-tire mount, or snow plow mounting frames, although they may have been present in the early years.

On the morning of Thursday 5/25/2017, I supplied Larry with yellow oval builder's badges for both sides of the cab, and black-on-white Coleman name plates for above the front visor, above the rear window, and above the screens on both sides of the hood. Melanie very carefully mounted them all very first thing, so that everyone could enjoy the truck nearly as it looked when first delivered from the factory in Littleton, Colorado.


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This is a truly wonderful restoration, and with the exception of the home-made stake bed, is very close to being in "as-delivered condition."  Congratulations to Larry and Melanie Maasdam on their truly superb addition to the "known" Coleman survivors now appearing in local and national truck shows across the country. 
By chtrout - Last Year
1949 Coleman G-55 in the "I-80 Truck Stop" Collection

For a number of years, I had been told that the I-80 Truck Stop Museum in Wolcott, Iowa had a "1941 Coleman G-55" in their museum collection that was a younger "sibling" of the "1941 Coleman G-55 Serial #7109" now at Bickford Pavilion, Yarmouth, ME.

>> After finally seeing the Coleman G-55 in the "I-80 Truck Stop" Collection, it is absolutely a 1949 model, not a 1941 as previously understood.

The late Don Chew had purchased and fully restored this 1949 Coleman G-55 in early 1988, and had even put it to work pushing snow "on contract" at the old Stapleton Airport in Denver during the late 1980s, prior to eventually selling it to the I-80 Truck Stop, where it is currently in their storage facility awaiting additional restoration.  The angle-blade reversible snow plow is in separate storage. 

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1949 Coleman G-55 Serial #43870 was produced in April, 1949, is powered by a BUDA LO-525 engine, Serial #286392 and has a rated capacity of 5-6 tons. The data plate is mounted on the driver-side door.   Interestingly, the Coleman-fabricated pressed-aluminum cab is hung with 1942-1947 Ford cab doors.  It is not a "widened Ford cab" as originally thought. 

Special thanks to Mr. Will Moon, President of the "Iowa-80 Truck Stop Museum," for very graciously granting access to this wonderful old Coleman now being housed in storage, and not open to the public.  Special thanks also to Jim Hatfield for helping me collect data from the truck data plate. 
By chtrout - Last Year
Lingering Questions on 1949 Coleman G-55 Cab – "Ford or Coleman"

Obviously, questions remain regarding who fabricated the cab on the 1949 Coleman G-55 in the "I-80 Truck Stop Museum" collection.

Observations to Date:
  • I think we can all agree that those are '42-'47 Ford doors, and the "waist band" trim continues on around the back corner, regardless of who fabricated the cab. 
  • As for the dash, we know the cab was widened ("stretched"), so I am sure Coleman just fabricated a new dash to fit – they had been fabricating their own custom dashboards from the very beginning. 
  • As for the rest of the cab, there are very definite riveted "seams" just around the corner on the back side of the cab, and appeared to be totally consistent with the cab being "stretched."
  • As for the windshield (and perhaps even the rear window), they would have had to be modified to accommodate any widening of the cab. 
  • We do know from a Littleton Independent article, that as of May 1946, Coleman had a "Ceco" stamp for making its cab bodies. 

Fragments of Information from Don Chew

As mentioned previously, it was Don Chew that purchased the G-55 sometime in the early 1970s. I have seen a poor-quality photo of it taken on the day he purchased it, and much of the paint is missing off of the aluminum cab. Don told me that Coleman had stretched the cab and hung Ford doors on it.  Don made a point of mentioning that it surprised him that it was aluminum. 

What is not clear to me now is how much of a Ford cab was used – just the doors, or perhaps much more, with Coleman just "re-fabricating" or stretching (inserting panels) as needed.  Does anyone know if '42-'47 cabs were largely aluminum?
By chtrout - Last Year
Eddy Lucast (6/16/2017)
42-47 Ford cabs were steel. I've never heard of an aluminum option


Thanks Eddy, that may clinch the deal -- perhaps they were Coleman cabs simply hung with Ford doors...

By chtrout - Last Year
While I do not know the early history for "Weicker Transfer & Storage," they had started buying Coleman trucks by about the mid-to-late 1920s, most often as semi-tractors to pull very early low-boy trailers and such.  I do know they had previously been in business as "Weicker Brothers & Cliff Transfer" in the 1890s, but reorganized as Wiecker Transfer & Storage in the early 1900s.  

Recently, we had a person post a photo of a Coleman truck, still in reddish-brown Weicker T&S livery on our Coleman Trucks Facebook page, indicating that he wanted to sell it, but it looks like he has now deleted the photo. From memory, it looked like it was perhaps a Coleman E-57 (or a similar heavy-model in the E-series), from the mid-to-late 1930s. I could not tell, but it looked like it might have had a 5th wheel, not sure. Only the front 3/4 of the truck was clearly showing. If I can ever locate the photo again, I will post it.
By chtrout - Last Year
1930 Coleman D-40X "Roadster" up for Auction

While I play no personal role in this auction, a 3 ½-ton 1930 Coleman D-40X "Roadster," reported as Serial #2398, is being listed as up for auction at 9:30am, 21 Oct 2017 at 816 S.E. 1st Street, Lawton, OK 73501. While a photo is provided, the actual auction catalog has not yet been issued. The truck will reportedly be listed as "L-Inventory #60."

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For those not familiar with this Coleman truck model, it was promoted as the "Roadster," and targeted the municipal, county, and state highway department markets as a road maintenance vehicle in the summer months, and then being assigned to snowplow duties in the winter.   It was most often offered with a "Wood Company" shoulder-high dump body (for easy hand shovel loading), and was also often fitted with appropriate front snow plow and side wing plow attachments. In the summer months, these units were also frequently used to pull mechanical road graders that had been previously pulled by teams of horses.

•    This particular survivor is currently painted yellow over black, but would have been delivered in the official Coleman company color of "Cardinal Red," unless the customer specified a color to match their fleet color scheme.  Most county and state highway departments ordered their Coleman trucks in either orange, or sometimes yellow.  

•    The only obvious modifications are a heavy bumper in front, a radiator brush guard, external air filter, and some form of rig in back, as well as modern, non-original-equipment-style tires.

•    Note the post-1928 PERFEX radiator with "Coleman" cast right into the radiator head.  Also note the pre-1931 "piano-hinge" doors on the all-weather cab.  Models after about 1931 had sliding side doors.  The roof-mounted lights suggest that it had been assigned to snow-plow duty.

•    The truck is listed as a model "B-A6," which actually refers to it being powered by a BUDA BA 6-cylinder engine, which was the standard offering for the Coleman D-40X.

•    Removal of the "inappropriate" front bumper and radiator brush guard, as well as perhaps some unknown mechanical work, and this old Coleman survivor just "might" be nearly ready for parade or truck show duties.

The auction is being managed by VanDerBrink Auctions, LLC, and includes most, if not all of the "John Lewis Collection" of Lawton, Oklahoma.

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Question:  Has anyone actually seen this "proud, but dusty old lady" in person? I am curious if the original Coleman brass data plate is still mounted in the cab. It would be mounted very high in the passenger-side rear corner of the cab. The chassis serial number (reportedly #2398) would be both on the data plate, and also stamped all the way forward on the driver's-side frame rail.  I would also be interested in the BUDA BA-6 engine serial number, most often on a brass data plate near the lower right corner of the engine block on the passenger's side.

Note:  I can also supply appropriate Coleman name plates and oval Coleman builder's badges, if the eventual buyer is interested.

•    Special thanks to ATHS member Jim Hatfield for alerting me to this auction!
By chtrout - Last Year
1960 American Coleman G-40-B1 (MB-4) Up for Sale

Jeff Sabo has just told me that he has decided to sell his 1960 American Coleman G-40-B1 (MB-4), and is asking $3500. I have seen this unit in person, it runs great, and it is nearly "parade ready," as well as for "truck show duty" and such. The USAF data plate and all Coleman name plates are still present, and the unit is very nearly in "as built" condition, with the exception of a snow-plow mounting frame on the front end. (snow plow will be included in the sale) Considering that it is in nearly original condition, virtually complete, and runs well, I would think his asking price is very fair. Located south of Denver, near Sedalia, Colorado. Text Jeff Sabo directly at 720-648-2137.

Background: Jeff Sabo's 1960 America Coleman G-40-B1 ("MB-4") U.S. Air Force towing tractor was built in January of 1960, serial number #560064. American Coleman called the model the "G-40," and produced variants "A" through "H" from 1954 until about 1981. Sub-variants involving only very minor changes were simply given a numerical suffix, hence Jeff's 1960 G-40 is a "B1" variant. Over 2,000 units were eventually produced, and the last two variants, "G" and "H" also included a major body change with a more modern looking tilt-forward cab. The USAF designated the G-40s as being a member of the "MB-4" classification (multiple manufacturers), but many Air Force guys simply called them "tugs," although they were never known by that nickname in common American Coleman usage.

Technical Details: Jeff's G-40-B1 weighs in at 10,700 lbs; has a drawbar pull of 10,000 lbs; is rated for aircraft up to 100,000 lbs; an overall length of 161.5", a top (governed) speed of 40 mph; and came powered with a with a 94 hp 6-cylinder "L-Head" Chrysler "Industrial-30" gasoline engine. The G-40 had 4-wheel-drive, 4-wheel steering, a turning radius of 15', and was noteworthy for its very agile ability to "crab" into difficult-to-reach positions.


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By chtrout - Last Year
ATHS Des Moines – Lets Talk Coleman Trucks!

I will be attending the 2017 ATHS National Convention and Truck Show in Des Moines, Iowa on May 25th through 27th, to include "Tour #8" of the I-80 Truck Stop in Wolcott, IA on Friday the 26th.

•    Although it is not a well-known fact, while Coleman trucks were sold throughout the West, Mid-West, and well up into the Northeast, Iowa county road departments were by far the largest purchasers of Coleman trucks, second only in sales to Colorado state & county road departments. I am hopeful that some Coleman "survivors" will be in the Des Moines truck show, as well as some Coleman FDA (front drive axle) conversions. Iowa farmers also purchased a significant number of farm tractors with special-order Coleman FDAs installed while on the IH Farmall (by far the largest user), Cockshutt, Minneapolis-Moline, and Oliver tractor assembly lines.

•    Also, the I-80 Truck Stop historical collection includes Don Chew's beautiful restoration of a 1941 Coleman G-55. Interestingly, the "I-80" G-55 is a younger sibling of the restored 1941 Coleman G-55 #7109 currently on display at the Bickford Pavilion, Yarmouth, ME. The "Bickford" G-55 was from early in the 1941 production year, when Coleman briefly experimented with using Highland cabs, while the "I-80" G-55 was from later in the year when Coleman went back to fabricating its own cabs, but this time out of aluminum.

I will be roaming around in a bright orange Coleman cap, so please introduce yourself if you want to stop and talk Coleman trucks! I will also have a very small number of Coleman caps and patches with me, while the supply lasts.

Let's Talk Coleman Trucks!
By chtrout - Last Year
jarradellis (5/5/2017)
Hi there. First time joining a forum. Took a bit of research to find you guys so hopefully I'm doing this correctly!

Recently traded a truck for this frame I believe to be a former Coleman tug. I was hoping someone might have more information like gear ratios and transfer case ratio. I've seen some photos with Chrysler 318's or 360's and my transmission appears to be Chrysler. Any idea how it worked? Looks like the hydraulic hoses ran through it, had a shifter, but a torque converter also? I'm not familiar with this set up so any information at all would be greatly appreciated!


Yes, that appears to be the chassis for an American Coleman G-40 (MB-4) aircraft towing tractor.  Can you find a serial number stamped into the driver's-side frame rail, perhaps even with the front wheel or so?  In the alternative, does the transfer case still have its data plate with the transfer case model number and date?  If we can identify the date and model of your G-40, there is "some" chance I may have the appropriate manual on hand. 

By chtrout - Last Year
jarradellis (5/20/2017)
Hi, thanks for the reply! 561137 is the serial number but unfortunately I could not find a data plate on the transfer case.


Based on the serial number you provided, it appears that you have a the chassis for an "American Coleman G-40-B2" manufactured in Littleton, Colorado sometime in 1961.


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Photo of American Coleman G-40-B1 serial number #5600064 built in Jan 1960.  Your "B2" built in 1961
would have looked virtually identical.  A later owner added the snow plow lift frame in front. 
Photo by Craig H. Trout, please credit. 


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Rear 3/4 view. 
Photo by Craig H. Trout, please credit. 

  • To clarify, American Coleman developed its G-40 prototype in 1954, in response to a USAF "call for bids" to satisfy requirements ("specs") for the their newly-created "MB-4" classification for smaller aircraft towing tractors better suited for lighter fighters and bombers then coming on the scene. 
  • Over the years from 1954-1981, the G-40 went through (8) major variants (A though H), while very minor modifications would simply be noted with a numerical suffix within that particular variant. Hence, your G-40-B2 was a minor modification of the "B" variant, but not yet significantly different enough to justify a "new" variant. Variants A-F all looked very similar, but then variants G & H had a newly-designed cab, with a hood that could be tilted forward for easier maintenance.  
  • Also, while all American Coleman G-40s were classified as USAF "MB-4s," other manufactures also won MB-4 contracts (same operational specs, but very different appearances), to include Grove, Entwistle, NMC-Wollard, PSI, Dodge "bob tails," and perhaps others.  

Email me at craigtrout@aol.com for additional details.
By chtrout - Last Year
Coleman Proprietary Parts – What Made a Coleman a Coleman?

The question comes up from time to time, as mentioned in the previous postings, "Where Can I Find Coleman Wheel Bearings" and such.

Historically, there have always been essentially two types of truck builders: 1) those who built their trucks from the ground up, using primarily parts or assemblies they had been manufactured themselves (example, Mack Trucks), and 2), those companies who began with their own patented proprietary parts or assemblies, then built a truck around that using open source vendors for all other needed parts and assemblies to finish the truck.
  • Coleman always fell in this latter category, using their own patented or propriety components as a basis, then building a truck or aircraft towing tractor around that, using open source vendors. 
  • While there are several other notable exceptions, the primary assemblies that made a "Coleman a Coleman" were the "steerable Coleman FDA" (front drive axle) and the "Coleman Transfer Case." Some G-55 and EH-62 trucks did have a somewhat unique rear axle assembly, and of course the G-40 (MB-4) and G-75 (U-18) simply had steerable Coleman FDAs on both front and rear. 
  • The purely "Coleman" sub-assemblies in the Coleman FDA were the axle-housing casting, the hub-housing castings, the patented "power yoke and compensating ring," the hub itself, the heavy dome hub protector, and several lessor fittings and adapters. The axle "shaft" itself was always Wisconsin (later bought out by Timken), and the bearings, etc, were largely open source. Not sure about the steering knuckles. 
  • The same is true of the "Coleman Transfer Case" (and housing) – always based largely on Spicer parts, then later Dana Corporation, as on the EH-62. Coleman designed their own transfer cases, but using many Spicer components and sub-assemblies in the process. 

So, bottom line, unless you need an actual Coleman power yoke, compensating ring, or other Coleman-specific castings and such, many parts (but not all) can be found from open-source vendors. They may have been assigned a Coleman part number for inventory and assembly line purposes, but they were often "right off some vendor's shelf," and supplied to meet very exacting Coleman specs.

>>> As an additional after-thought, International Harvester (IH) used large numbers of special-order Coleman FDAs on their heavy truck and Farmall tractor assembly lines, and while IH assigned their own IH front drive axle model numbers (such as the FA-140) on their catalog pages and such, they were all "most likely" Coleman "Model-9" FDAs, and even if slightly modified for IH use, they may have used many of the same internal components, such as the wheel bearings.  While IH preferred to use a "cake pan" style hub-protector on their trucks, internally, the hub components were perhaps virtually the same.  Conversely, IH Farmall tractors tended to instead use the standard "Coleman" heavy dome hub protectors.  You might want to try IH distributors, or distributors of historic IH parts, to see if you can match the needed specs for wheel bearings and such.
By chtrout - Last Year
Farm Tractor FWA Parts "May" Fit Your Coleman FDA (Front Drive Axle)

As background, many farm tractor manufactures tended to instead describe their special-order 4x4 tractors as having "FWA" (Front Wheel Assist), "MFWD" (Mechanical Front Wheel Drive), or similar such wording. Much less frequently, the term "AWD" (All Wheel Drive) is also encountered. 

    Search Tip
: Keep the "FWA" term in mind when actually searching for 4x4 tractor parts, shop manuals, and such. 

My emerging research has determined that while EMCO (Elwood Manufacturing Company) and other companies also provided FWA axles on occasion (especially early on), it appears that many farm tractors with FWA used the Coleman "Model-9" FDA (front drive axle), or perhaps very similar models that had many of the same or very similar internal components.

Confirmation pending, but it appears that the (red) International Harvester (IH) Farmall models "806, 1066, 1256, 1456, 1566," and perhaps other models, all used a Coleman "Model-9" axle, or very similar modifications. The (yellow) IH model "2806" AWD utility/construction tractor also appears to have used a Coleman "Model-9." Does anyone know of additional IH tractor "FWA" or "AWD" models with Coleman FDAs?

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Example IH Farmall Turbo 1206 with a Coleman FDA (Front Drive Axle) 

Similarly, the Massey-Ferguson model "97," and Minneapolis-Moline models "G706" and "G708" all seemed to use the Coleman Model-9 (or variations thereof) as a special-order option, after first experimenting with EMCO axles. There may have been additional MF or MM models with FWA also. Does anyone know of any?

I have already determined that Case, Oliver, Cockshutt, and perhaps others, also used special-order Coleman FDAs, but I have not yet determined the model numbers for either the tractors or the axles. Can anyone help with additional information?

While the following post is very old, it offers some tantalizing details:
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Re: American Coleman 4x4 axle in reply to lex, 12-17-2008 11:21:47
I just received my parts to overhaul this front end on a 706 [editor's comment: Minneapolis-Moline "G706"]. The wheel bearings , races and boots came from Case-IH Part #271841R91 bearing $107.13 ea.; #879079R1 cup or race $59.00 ea.; #389050R1 Boot $122.25 ea.
- - -

While I have not yet confirmed that a "Case-IH Part #271841R91 bearing" will actually fit a Coleman Model-9 axle, this is an excellent example of possible ideas to pursue, of course first confirming the "needed" ID, OD and Width during your inquiry process.

>>> The take-away:  Farm Tractor FWA replacement parts suppliers (both current and historic NOS) just may be a possible source of less-expensive parts for your Coleman FDA.
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
thundersnow70 (10/3/2016)
Hey Craig, this is Mark in SD with the Coleman F4. I thought I sent you a copy of the MH M9 manual I got off ebay? I has that diagram you are looking for. If I forgot to make you a copy I will gladly get that headed your way. I also picked up some literature at Iola and will get that to you as well. It also has the side view. Both pages look very much like what you posted minus the advertisement on the bottom. Please let me know if I can be of help 


Thanks Mark!   I just send you an off-line email in response....
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
Who Were the 4x4 Truck Manufacturers in 1920?

In looking at the history of Holmes / Plains / Coleman / American Coleman (1916-1987), it might be interesting to explore who the principle 4x4 truck competition was when the Holmes Motor Company began actual production in Littleton, Colorado in 1920.

•    Soon after applying for his patented "Holmes Front Drive" system in 1916, Harleigh Holmes had first begun converting a Model-T Ford truck chassis to front-wheel drive, then ultimately to four-wheel-drive. "Harl' also converted a very few Model-T Ford cars, but all of these very early truck and car conversions were largely experimental, and very few (if any), were actually sold.

•    Full-scale design work for an actual Holmes 4x4 truck did not begin until early 1919 with first a very crude "mock up," soon followed by actual production prototype Holmes Front Drive (HFD) 2-ton 4x4 truck, which was then vigorously field-tested throughout the Fall of 1919 near Carbondale, Colorado.

•    Actual Holmes 4x4 truck manufacturing did not begin until May of 1920, first very briefly at a leased site at 935 Broadway, Denver, and then almost immediately moving into their new plant on Nevada Street in Littleton, Colorado by that July. 

By the time the Holmes 4x4 truck went into production, I can identify at least (8) other companies already producing 4x4 trucks:

(Dates are 4x4 truck production dates, not the original founding dates of the company)


(1911)     F.W.D., 3-ton 4x4 – Four Wheel Drive Auto Company, Clintonville, Wisconsin

(1913)     Jeffrey-Quad, 2-ton 4x4 – (became Nash-Quad in 1916) Nash Motors Company, Kenosha, Wisconsin

(1914)    Walter, 5, 6, or 7 ½-ton 4x4 – (Initially under license from Latil) Walter Motor Truck Company, New York, New York

(1915)    Duplex, 3 ½-ton 4x4 – Duplex Truck Co., Lansing, Michigan

(1916 - Harleigh Holmes patents his Holmes Front Drive (HFD) system and soon begins to experiment with conversions on a Model-T Truck, as well as a Model-T car)

(1917)    Oshkosh, 2-ton 4x4 – Oshkosh Motor Truck Mfg. Co., Oshkosh, Wisconsin

(1917)    Winther-Marvin 2-ton, 4x4 – Winther Motor Trucks Co, Kenosha, Wisconsin

(1917)    Twin City, 5-ton 4x4 – Twin City Four Wheel Drive Company, Inc., St. Paul, Minnesota 

(1918)    Militor 4x4 -- S.A.E / U.S. Army Ordnance Dept; failed concept, out of production before 1920


(1920)    Jackson, 3 ½ ton 4x4 – Jackson Motors Corporation, Jackson, Michigan

(1920)    Holmes, 2-ton 4x4 – Holmes Motor Company, Littleton, Colorado


Question – Can anyone add to this list? While there were "numerous" 4x4 patents, we are looking for 4x4 trucks that actually made it into full-scale production by 1920.

Thanks for any assistance!

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig
By chtrout - Last Year
Hey Hambone,

I can't recall what you are referring to...  G-40 at Stewart and Stevenson...  Could you please refresh my memory?  Having a "senior moment" here.

Thanks!
Craig
By chtrout - Last Year
Federal F-55-AF in US Army Service – One "Very Rare Bird" Indeed!

>>> This is actually a cut & paste of my response to the Thursday, 3/16/2017 "What Am I?"  –  I am now adding it here to the Coleman thread so as to be included with all the Coleman and related Federal articles... I hope that's okay, Jeff.

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1952 Federal F-55-AF in US Army service at Fort Greely, Alaska in 1961.  
Source: Photo was originally posted by Jerry Park, please credit Jerry as appropriate.


The very first thing that stuck me about this truly great 1961 photo of a 9-year old 1952 "Federal F-55AF" was that it is in airfield service at Fort Greely, Alaska for the US Army!  I had always understood that all (5) contracts (1949, 1950, 1951, 1952, and 1954) went exclusively to the US Air Force.

•  All were American Coleman CF-55-AF contracts, except the 1952 contract which "Federal" was able to snag as the "F-55-AF," and all were delivered in "ground-support" yellow, with the exception of the 1954 Coleman CF-55-AF contract which was delivered in olive drab.

As a young child frequently visiting the Coleman plant to see Dad at work, I do not recall ever seeing one lettered for anything other than "USAF." The only other vehicles I ever saw lettered for any of the other military services were several olive-drab SnowBlast rotary snow plows lettered for the US Army, and several yellow G-55s or EH-62s lettered for the US Navy. The USAF may have also received some SnowBlast units, but I do not personally remember them. On a side-note, International Harvester did some assembly-line installations of Coleman Front Drive Axles on their "Loadstar" series, and they were delivered to both the US Navy and USAF in dark blue.

•  Does anyone have any more information on any CF-55-AF or F-55-AF units being delivered "directly" to the US Army or US allies? Perhaps the pictured unit was a USAF "tug" that had been "re-programmed" to the US Army? It is almost counter-intuitive that the US Army would even need any "heavy-pull" aircraft towing tractors, since the Army did not even have any truly large fixed wing aircraft, let alone heavy bombers like the B-36 "Peacemaker," for which the CF-55-AF had been specifically designed. Perhaps the Army just snagged it because it became "available."   Of course the other explanation might be that this was a US Army airfield, and they might need heavy-pull capability for any large transports and such that might come in. 

On a related matter, the whole history of the "Federal F-55-AF" is steeped in legends, mythology, and misinformation, and I have never been able to quite figure out where all that even came from.

•  One often-repeated version is that Coleman was shut down by a strike and Federal stepped in and finished the existing contract on a "license" basis.

•  Based on my extensive original research, this "legend" simply is not true. Contemporary newspaper accounts of the time (most notably the Littleton Independent) often commented on a weekly basis regarding the various Coleman contracts, since Coleman was by far the largest employer in town at that time. They very specifically commented on Coleman finishing delivery its 18 Aug 1951 contact (495 units) in mid-August 1952, and then the related contract for "parts" continued on though December of 1952. Yes there was a strike, but it occurred on 27 Feb 1953, long after Federal Motor Trucks had won their August 1952 contract for the F-55-AFs. Or that is to say, Coleman was already "tooled up," and fully "staffed up" to work the 1952 contract... had they successfully won the bid! 

•  As for why Federal was able to snag the 22 Aug 1952 contract, I have my own alternate theory. Harleigh Holmes, Jr. (son of the founder and primary inventor) left Coleman in early 1952 and went to work for Federal Motor Trucks as a consulting engineer. He would have taken with him a wealth of "insider information" on how to compete for, and actually win the August 1952 contract with a very competitive lower bid.

•  As for why the CF-55-AF and F-55-AF units visually looked almost "identical" (with the exception of the hubs), the USAF already being highly satisfied with the past three Coleman contracts, I would think that the USAF issued "specs" accordingly when they called for bids for the August 1952 contract, and Federal could easily match just about everything but the axles, just substituting Marmon-Herrington axles for similar performance, and then just simply came in with a lower bid.

•  As for any "license" arrangement, after several years of very detailed research, I have never found an "original source" that makes any mention of this. Regardless, it is not even "likely or necessary," since the only proprietary assemblies on a Coleman CF-55-AF were the axles/hubs and transfer cases -- everything else was from "open market" sources, and from a wide variety of vendors. Unlike many of their other specialized products, Coleman had never "patented" the CF-55-AF, and so there was actually nothing to "license," especially since Federal was substituting MH axles and hubs.

>>> Does anyone know of any "original sources" that report on this supposed "licensing" arrangement?

•  By "original," I mean contemporary reports or articles actually from 1952, not "re-tellings of the legend" in later books and such, without supporting footnotes.

•  The one truly "odd" thing I did find was that contemporary editions of Automotive Industries and Aviation Week both did report that Federal Motor Trucks had won the August 1952 contract for "834 ea. Coleman Tow Tractors."   Very intriguing... Why would the word "Coleman" even be included? Perhaps because the truly iconic double-cab Coleman CF-55-AF was already so well known to their readers?

>>> I am extremely interested in any more details on the 1952 Federal F-55-AF contract that anyone might be willing to share.

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig
By chtrout - Last Year
Hey Hambone,

In an earlier item, you had indicated Stewart and Stevenson, 5840 Dahlia St, Commerce City, CO, had (2) MB-4's on hand for use as shop tugs. I think your photos were from about 2006 or so. Do you know if they still have them on hand?

Thanks!
By chtrout - Last Year
NickAbbott (3/28/2017)
Hi Craig

The CF-55-AF and F-55-AF were both used on US Airforce bases in the UK.  My father purchases a Coleman CF-55-AF and one, or possibly 2, Federal F-55-AF as ex-military stock from the US army.  He set up himself up with a breakdown and recovery business (wrecker business to you in the state)  in 1964 and I believe that he purchased them some time later - still in the 60's or early 70's.  He used the Coleman extensively for many years, including a lot of snow ploughing and heavy vehicle recovery work.  He used the federals for spares, showing how compatible they where - excluding the drive train, of course.

There is a rumour that the Coleman CF-55-AF is still around.

Kind regards
Nic


Hey Nick,

Great post! Where was this in the UK? Any family photos of the CF-55-AFs or F-55-AFs in action? I liked your comment regarding how truly compatible the two versions were, with the exception of the drive trains, axles, hubs and such. That had been exactly my own understanding also, and you fully confirmed it. Did your father also get any manuals or paperwork with any of the units?

My own father, who worked at Coleman for 30 years, used to joke that the CF-FF-AF had so much pulling power, "it could pull the truth right out of a politician!" Ha! Dad's very first assignment when he hired on in 1950 was "winterizing" CF-FF-AFs that were scheduled for shipment to a US airbase in Iceland, I think it was.

Again, truly post, thank you for sharing!

Craig
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
American Coleman EH-62 "Build Date" Mystery

Jeff Sabo's American Coleman EH-62 serial number #5602056 presents a bit of a mystery for me. I have always understood that the EH-62 was introduced in 1962, but on Jeff's vehicle title (from owner #2 to owner #3 in 1991), the truck is listed as a "1960" model. However, the "Heil Company" dump body (assuming it was original equipment), was installed by the Jacobs Equipment Company in Denver, Colorado in March, 1971, which seems to be a much more plausible build-date for this particular truck.

•    So, does this mean the EH-62 was actually introduced in 1960, and not 1962, or is the "title" just incorrect and based on a "guess" by a previous owner?

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Two views of Jeff Sabo's American Coleman EH-62 serial number #5602056 taken in August 2016.  
Photos by Craig H. Trout, please credit. 


QUESTION – Has anybody out there noticed a credible source "introducing" the new EH-62, such as (examples only) Automotive Industries, Commercial Car Journal, or even Western Construction, that indicates/confirms when it first came out?  Has anyone seen any catalog pages, manuals, or other paperwork for the EH-62?  

Also, I have always assumed the last government contract (probably Colorado State Highway Department) for the EH-62 was let in about 1981 or so, but I have not yet been able to confirm that date either. Can anyone help us on these dates?

•    On a side note, the EH-62 was the last production-model truck ever built by American Coleman, and it had replaced the "twin" G-55 (gasoline) and D-55 (diesel) series trucks that had previously been in production for over a decade.   

Any help would be truly appreciated!

Keep Calm and Coleman on!

Craig
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
Trucker (9/20/2016)
Information about the model EH-62 in automobile magazines is missing.
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Hey "Trucker,"

Thank you so much for sharing this...

Not the "announcement" I was hoping for, but any "new-model" announcements are very useful. 

•    With all the changes in specs for the "D55CS" in 1962, I am now starting to wonder if the "EH-62" actually started life as a modified/upgraded "D55CS," and the model name was eventually changed, since it actually had so many model differences? I wonder?

•    Coleman had done this many times before, such as with the 1949 double-cab "modified G-55" aircraft towing tractor, which was then later renamed the "CF-55-AF."

As for the "LP57A" model being discontinued in 1962, I am beginning to think that was American Coleman's short-lived scissor-lift aircraft cargo "loading platform" that had been introduced a couple years before in both a "K1" (1,000 lbs) and "K2" (2,000 lbs) capacity configurations, and became simply nicknamed as the  "K-Loaders."

I noticed that the page you provided was for the July 1962 issue of Commercial Car Journal. Have you noticed if they tended to announce "new models" in the same issue each year, or did new model announcements tend to be more random?

Again, Thank You so Much!

By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
Commercial Car Journal 50th Anniversary Issue


Does anyone out there have a copy of the 1961 "Commercial Car Journal 50th Anniversary" issue they would be willing to sell?


•     In the alternative, I am looking for a good quality scan of the American Coleman "Center Line Steer" advertisement on what appears to be page 226.

The only existing image I am aware of is a very soft and distorted Google scan on which the fine print is very difficult to read.


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1961 Commercial Car Journal 50th Anniversary Issue, pg. 226


Thank you in advance for any assistance!


Keep Calm and Coleman On!
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
Tony Bullard (10/1/2016)
Craig open this attachment up in a picture viewing software and zoom in to see if it is any better.



Thank you Tony, but this is actually just another copy of the very same "Google scan" I had posted with my message.

•   I am actually needing a new original scan of the actual journal page that is much sharper and without distortion.

Regardless, thank you so much for your very prompt response, it was truly appreciated!


By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
John Frances (10/1/2016)
Here's a bigger fixed up version of the same scan.


Hi John, Thank You, that is much, much better! 

However, since this will be for publication, I am still hopeful to find a new original scan that is razor sharp and free of distortion.  

Thanks again!!
Craig
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
Eddy Lucast (10/4/2016)
John, just so you know if you remove a watermark, it could be considered theft and you could get yourself in a jam. If it had a watermark please post that copy here.


Eddy,

Good point... That is one of the reasons, (in addition to needing a "distortion-free" image), I would very much prefer to find someone with a copy of the 50th Anniversary Edition of CCJ who would be willing to do a original, high quality scan of the American Coleman "Center Line Steer" page (226) for me.

Google scans of various library collections are truly great finding aids, but I am thinking that at the end of the day, Google probably considers their scans their intellectual property, and removing their watermark is probably  "just not the right way to roll..."
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
GOT COLEMAN?   Literature, that is?

(This is a "repeat" of a previous posting)


For several years now, I have been trying to locate copies of the September & October copies (late 1940s / early 1950s), exact year unknown) of "Automotive World" that ran a two-part illustrated article on "Coleman Front Drive Axles and Their Installation."

•    The American Coleman Company, Littleton, Colorado, eventually issued a 6-page booklet which consisted of a full reprint of these illustrated ales.


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Cover of the 6-page American Coleman booklet of the reprint
from the two "Automotive World" articles.
 
Source:  Amazon snippet view

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Example page from the undated American Coleman reprint.
Source:  Amazon snippet view

•    While I have been able to find "snippet" views of the reprint on Amazon (listed as "no longer available"), I have not yet been able to find either the full original articles or the American Coleman reprint.  I am needing to add the original articles or the reprint to my Coleman reference library so that I can be of greater assistance to collectors who are attempting to either restore or better understand their truck (various brands) with a "Coleman Front Drive Conversion."

>> Does anyone out there have a copy of either the original articles or the reprint that you would be willing to share (for purchase, loan, or a good scanned copy)?    Please "message" me to arrange particulars.

I am also always interested in other Coleman catalog pages, booklets, photos, or manuals you might be willing to sell, loan, or scan.  

Thank you for you kind assistance...

Keep Calm and Coleman on...
Craig
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
2016 "Western Welcome Parade" in Littleton, Colorado

The 2016 "Western Welcome Week Grand Parade" will run from 10am until noon, Saturday, August 20th, 2016 down W. Littleton Blvd and then Main Street, Littleton, Colorado. In years past, as many as 6 or more Coleman trucks and aircraft towing tractors have been entered in this annual Littleton, Colorado parade, although as with all truck shows and parades, the actual numbers and variety of entries can vary right down to the actual day of the event.

We are "hoping" that this year's entries "may" include several "D, E, and G-series" Coleman trucks from the late 1920s through the late 1930s, as well as perhaps some American Coleman G-40s (USAF MB-4), G-75s (USAF U-18) and perhaps even a circa-1962 American Coleman EH-62.

The annual "Western Welcome Parade" is virtually the only event in the country featuring a gathering of multiple restored and un-restored Coleman trucks and aircraft towing tractors in actual full operation. Littleton was the home of Coleman Motors and later American Coleman from 1920 until the close of operations in 1987. 

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The Coleman Motors and American Coleman entries for the August 15th, 2015 "Western Welcome Parade"
begin to line up in the unofficial pre-staging area. From front to back, Buck Kamphausen's 1934 Coleman Motors
E-54; followed by Buck's relatively rare 1964 American Coleman G-75 (USAF U-18) Serial #563122; and
his 1965 American Coleman G-75 (USAF U-18) Serial #565136.
Source: Craig H. Trout, please credit.


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Photo lineup of Coleman Motors/American Coleman entries in the August 17, 2013
 "Western Welcome Parade" in Littleton, Colorado. Left to right, circa-1975 unsuccessful
American Coleman prototype track maintenance vehicle; American Coleman G-40 (MB-4)
aircraft towing tractor; Ken Kafka's circa 1929 Coleman Motors D-40X Serial #2226;
David Wardle's 1934 Coleman Motors E-54 Serial #4644; Buck Kamphausen's 1934
Coleman Motors E-54; and State of Colorado, Dept. of Transportation's 1939
Coleman Motors G-55 Serial #4742. In 2013, this small fleet of restored and un-restored
Coleman veterans won the "Best of Parade" award.
Source: Photo by Coleman collector Ken Kafka, used by permission.



If you have an "operating' Coleman truck, aircraft towing tractor, or Coleman Front Drive conversion, and you are within driving or "hauling" range, this might be  a fun opportunity to participate in this Coleman "home town" parade with fellow Coleman collectors.

Hope to see you there!

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig  
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
Brocky (7/27/2016)
Craig
Did I ever post this picture of an IH/Coleman conversion at the Truckie's Hall of Fame museum in Alice Springs, Australia???
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Excellent Example of IH-Installed American Coleman Front Drive Axle


Hey Brocky!

No, I had not seen this image before!

•    This is an excellent example of the American Coleman Front Drive Axles ("Coleman FDA"), as purchased from Coleman by the truck load and installed by IH on their heavy truck assembly lines in the 1960s.

•    The IH factory-installed Coleman FDAs are very easily recognized by their "cake pan"-style hub-protectors, as opposed to the more common heavy dome hub protectors found on most other Coleman front drive conversions from the 1940s and early 1950s. Howe-Coleman also used heavy dome hub protectors on their "unauthorized" version of Coleman FDAs from the very late 1940s on.

•    Later Coleman conversions are not as easy to spot if the Power Yoke is hidden inside a Dayton Wheel, but regardless, virtually all Coleman conversions are very easily identified by the proprietary Coleman transfer case mounted amid-ship. The Coleman transfer case data plate is most often found facing outboard under the passenger side of the truck.

As always, Thanks for Sharing!!!

Keep Calm and Coleman On,
Craig
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
ppsyclone (8/16/2016)
Craig, 

Unable to find gathering point message for this Saturday 8/20 in Littleton. Please repost location.

Thanks,

Brian


Reminder on Western Welcome Parade, and Coleman Entries...


The 2016 "Western Welcome Week Grand Parade" will run from 10am until noon, Saturday, August 20th, 2016 down Littleton Blvd and then Main Street, Littleton, Colorado.


If the standing agreement continues from years past, the Coleman entries usually pre-stage in the side parking lot area at Schomp Automotive (name may have changed), 1201 W. Littleton Blvd, at the corner with South Gallup Street. There is usually ample close-by parking. After unofficial pre-staging, the Coleman entries then convoy to the "Official Parade Staging Area" at or very near the corner of Library Lane and South Gallup Street. This area will be totally restricted to vehicle access by police barricades, but has easy walk-up access. Available near-by parking fills up very quickly in this final, official staging area.

Keep Calm & Coleman On!
Craig
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
Yes!!!!
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
30 year UPS Mechanic (8/21/2016)
Craig I'm new on this site.I just bought the 1956 Ford T-700 6x6 with the Coleman front drive.I have a question-the front drive axle has 4 plugs-1 is the drain plug on the bottom 2 plugs are in front of the housing 1 is high and 1 is low-and a plug on the left-drivers side of the gear housing behind axle-which plug is the correct hole to fill to with gear oil? The only identification I can find on the front drive axle is a "35" number cast on the left back side of the axle housing .THANKS!! Richard Horstmeyer 785-625-7986


1956 Ford T-700 6x6 with Coleman Front Drive Conversion


Hi Richard,

Congrats on the purchase, and we are looking forward to photos!

Does your Ford truck have heavy dome hub protectors in front, and if so are they marked in any way, such as "Coleman 4x4," or perhaps even "Howe-Coleman"? In the alternative, does it have Dayton wheels with the Coleman power-yoke concealed inside?

I am currently on extended travel, but will be back fully on line in a couple weeks.

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig

By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
Is it a Double-GM-Cab Coleman"CF-55-AF," or perhaps a Federal "F-55-AF"?

I have noticed on a number of websites there is often lingering confusion in which a very clearly-marked "Federal F-55-AF" is often mistaken for its look-alike predecessor, the "American Coleman CF-55-AF," based largely on the nearly-identical appearance of the double-GM cabs, as well as the full-length fender/running board side view profile. I thought perhaps several words of explanation might help clarify the similarities and differences between these two very similar looking aircraft towing tractors from totally different truck manufacturers…

Background:

In 1949, with the rapid emergence of the Cold War, the United States Air Force (USAF) rushed out the full deployment of the truly revolutionary and simply huge, "nuclear-capable" B-36 Convair "Peacemaker" VH ("Very Heavy") Strategic Bomber, and with a fully-loaded weight of 262,500 lbs, it was very clear that a much more robust and agile aircraft towing tractor would be very quickly needed to efficiently manuever this simply huge new bomber while on the ground.

•     This "requirement" set the stage for a truly amazing sequence of events, which began on March 2, 1949, when the USAF issued an "urgent call" for bids, based on specs very hastily developed for a very agile, heavy-duty aircraft towing tractor for the new B-36.

•    On March 7, 1949, after only five-days notice (and after several consecutive engineering "all-nighters"), Coleman Motors had taken an existing 105-inch short-wheelbase circa 1948-1949 Coleman G-55 semi-tractor, with four-wheel-drive and four-wheel steering, and then designed from scratch, fabricated, and fully installed all required modifications to meet the "very challenging" new USAF specs, and then actually delivered their proposed Coleman prototype to some 770 miles southeast to Carswell Air Force Base near Fort Worth, Texas, for immediate testing. There were (8) other truck/tractor manufacturers in direct toe-to-toe competitions, to include Euclid, Caterpillar, and others. This very rushed national-defense project was so very urgent that USAF Gen. Curtis E. Lemay actually attended in person and directly oversaw the rigorous testing protocols.

•    In this direct competition with other bidders, the proposed Coleman modified-G-55 prototype vastly outperformed all other submissions, immediately winning the initial contract. Coleman Motors plant manager Russell Swank had personally put the prototype through its very powerful, yet surprisingly-agile paces, deeply impressing the "jury" of official Air Force senior staff judging the demonstration, not only with its amazing, but steady 25,000 pound drawbar-pull, but also with its ability to make relatively tight turns, easily "crab" into multiple tight positions, and as needed, operate at temperatures ranging from -60° below zero in arctic settings, to above +130° in desert heat conditions.

•    The need was so urgent, that Coleman, in winning the bid, was then directed to deliver the first (2) working double-cab production-models by April 13th (only 24 days later), and then (18) more units very shortly thereafter.   With then yet another follow-on order of (29), this resulted in a final total (49) units produced in this first "1949" variant.


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It's March 7, 1949 at Carswell Air Force Base, near Fort Worth, Texas, and Coleman Motors shop foreman
Russ Swank (cab) is putting the modified Coleman G-55 through its paces.  That is USAF 4-Star General
Curtis Lemay at extreme left.  
Source:  Don Chew, Craig H. Trout Collection, please credit. 


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Front view of the modified Coleman G-55 during the rigorous field trials at Carswell AFB on March 7, 1949.  
Source:  Don Chew, Craig H. Trout Collection, please credit. . 


Basic Specifications:

Gross wgt. *33,500 lbs; wheel base 105"; turning radius **34.5 feet; 113 hp Buda diesel engine (soon replaced with Buda LO525 gasoline engine); drawbar pull 25,000 lbs; P.T.O. and heavy-duty winch with 70,000 Lbs capacity, 270 ft of 37-strand plow-steel cable; tractor "weatherized" to operate from -60 degrees below zero to +130 degrees in desert heat;
* the gross weight included 17,000 lbs of grey-iron cast ballast weights added on both sides for additional traction
** the turning radius was soon increased slightly to 37 feet, so as to provide adequate clearance for tire chains during severe winter operations.

The 1949 Contract... Coleman CF-55-AF, Double 1942-1947 Ford Cabs...

Number of Units     three consecutive increments of (2), (18), and (29) for final total of (49)
Livery     USAF Ground Support Yellow, non-glare black hood
Cabs     back-to-back 1942-1947 Ford cabs

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 Actual production model of the 1949 Coleman CF-55-AF in action.  This USAF photo was used in a number of commercial
 print ads for companies who provided components, such as Ross Steering.  
Source:  Don Chew, Craig H. Trout Collection, please credit. 


The 1950 Contract...Coleman CF-55-AF, Double-Coleman-Cabs, 1942-47 Ford Doors...

Contract Date & Value:     May 19, 1950 for $1,296,122.00 for tractors and spare parts
Number of Units     (73)
Livery     USAF Ground Support Yellow, non-glare black hood
Cabs     back-to-back Coleman-fabricated cabs hung with 1942-1947 Ford doors.

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The 1950 variant of the Coleman CF-55-AF posed at the intersection of Nevada Street and Church Street, Littleton,
Colorado.  The 1950 model is easily recognized by the Coleman-fabricated cabs with their relatively flat roof, and
hung with 1942-1947 Ford doore.  Source: John A. Grissinger Photo, Craig H. Trout Colletion, please credit.  


The 1951 Contract...Coleman CF-55-AF, Double-1951-GM Cabs...

Contract Date & Value     April 18, 1951 for $1,500,000
Number of Units     (425)
Livery     USAF Ground Support Yellow, non-glare black hood
Notes     Projected final delivery date, June 1952, actual completion, mid-August 1952

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The 1951 variant of the Coleman CF-55-AF posed at the intersection of Nevada Street and Church Street,
 Littleton, Colorado.  The 1951 model is easily recognized by the double GM cabs.  
Source:  John A. Grissinger Photo, Craig H. Trout Colletion, please credit.  

The 1952 Contract...Federal F-55-AF, Double-1950s-GM Cabs...

Contract     Date & Value:August 22, 1952 -- part of a much larger $30,000,00 contract let to Federal Motor Truck Company, which also included a number of 10-ton trucks for the Army Ordnance Department, as well as truck-mounted heavy mobile cranes for the U.S. Navy.
Number of Units     (834)
Livery     USAF Ground Support Yellow, with non-glare black hood;
Notes     Marmon Herrington Hubs, cabs and body visually very similar to Coleman CF-55-AF

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Perhaps one of the finest restorations of the "Federal F-55-AF" can be found in the collections of the Marshall
Museum / Army Cars, Zwijndrecht, Zuid-holland, the Netherlands.
Source: Photo by Michael Krauss, please credit.

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In this angle, we see the "business end" of the "Federal F-55-AF," as photographed at the Marshall 
Museum / Army Cars, Zwijndrecht, Zuid-holland, the Netherlands. 
Source: Photo by Michael Krauss, please credit. 

The 1954 Contract...Coleman CF-55-AF, Double 1950s GM Cabs...

Contract Date & Value     July 1, 1954, approx. $400,000
Number of Units     (18)
Livery     Olive Drab
Notes     Almost identical to the 1951 variant. Last known order for the CF-55-AF, after a combined total of (565) Coleman-built units.


>>> Remaining Research Questions...

There are a number of lingering questions regarding the 1952 USAF contract with the Federal Motor Truck Company to build (834) double-cab F-55-AF units.

•     The often-repeated "legend" is that Federal built the trucks "on license" from Coleman, when Coleman could not complete it's 1951 contract, due to a labor dispute. My original research has proven this simply isn't true. Coleman did complete its final delivery on the 1951 contract in mid-August 1952, and was well-positioned and fully capable of completing yet another large order, if they had won such a contract. Their reported labor dispute did not even occur until February 27, 1953, and even then, the full walk-out only lasted for 4 ½ hours – hardly a debilitating event, production-wise.

•     Regardless, why were the Federal F-55-AFs built to nearly identical visual specs, with the exception of Marmon-Herrington hubs? And most intriguing of all, why did both "Automotive Industries" and "Aviation Week" report that Federal Motor Trucks had been awarded a contract to build "834 ea. Coleman Tow Tractors"?  Why was the word "Coleman" even included in the tractor description?  Was there some "element of truth" regarding the Coleman-licensing rumor, but just incorrectly attributed to the 1951 Coleman contract, rather than the totally separate August 1952 Federal Motor Trucks contract?   If so, I can not find any contemtporary documentation to support any so-called licensing agreement. 

•     As a final and very intriguing possible influence, Harleigh Holmes's son, Harleigh Holmes, Jr., had left Littleton and accepted a position as a consulting engineer with Federal Motor Trucks in April, 1952.  Would this have given Federal a distinct "insider information advantage" in placing an "unexpectedly competitive bid" for the new contract?  The USAF call for bids would have been issued not long after Harleigh, Jr.'s arrival at Federal.  Did Coleman actually enter a bid and simply lose out to a more competitive bid by Federal Motor Trucks?  Did any DOD rules kick in regarding spreading contracts across multiple manufacterers, hence nearly the identical same tractor, but built by a different company?


>>> Request for Assistance:   
Are there any "Federal Motor Trucks" buffs out there that can add any additional details to the "back story" of the 1952 Federal contract for the F-55-AF tractors?

Interesting stuff...

Keep Calm and Coleman On!

Craig
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
John Frances (3/19/2016)
From this video here, just past the 8:00 mark.


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1954 American Coleman Y-24 Trailer Spotting Vehicle

Hey John,

Thanks for posting this truly interesting video segment showing the 1954 Coleman Y-24 Trailer-Spotting Vehicle developed in partnership with the Brandon Equipment Company of Chicago for use by the Pennsylvania Railroad in their rapidly expanding "PiggyBack" Service.

●    During these early days of TOFC (Trailer on Flat Car) operations, piggyback flat cars were still being loaded "circus train" style, with a skilled semi-tractor driver having to use his side mirrors, or strain to look backwards out of his window, to nudge a semi-trailer back over a very long series of perhaps 6-8 flat cars, linked by bridge plates, to its final tie-down position.

●    In answer to this rather awkward "backing" operation, American Coleman developed this four-wheel-drive, four-wheel-steering, truly bi-directional spotting vehicle with two steering wheels facing in opposite directions, and the driver could now simply change positions to always be facing his direction of travel, greatly simplifying the spotting of trailers on long strings of flat cars. It was powered by a Chrysler engine, but I do not have the actual details.

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Official file photo of the 1954 American Coleman Y-24 Trailer Spotting Vehicle developed in partnership
with the Brandon Equipment Company of Chicago for use by the Pennsylvania Railroad in their rapidly
expanding "PiggyBack" Service.  This particular prototype was 2-wheel drive, but some were 4-wheel drive. 
Source:  John A. Grissinger photo, Craig H. Trout Collection, please credit. 


●     A whole series of Coleman Y-24 prototypes were developed and field-tested in the Chicago rail yards until finally settling on a "production model." The very earliest version simply had a single vertical-stem steering wheel between two forward-facing and rear-facing seats, but it was soon determined this was somewhat awkward to operate, and then a two-steering wheel system was developed, both steering wheels linking into a single steering gear.

●     This was not Coleman's first entry into the trailer-spotting market, they had previously developed a "Yard Mobile" for the Pacific Intermountain Express ("P.I.E.") in 1951, but it was a very light-framed, single-steering wheel arrangement designed for simply spotting trailers at a trucking depot.

●     Interestingly, the very last major product line of the American Coleman company was the "Champion-II Yard Horse" series, that was equally at home working railroad piggyback loading facilities, trailer-spotting duties at trucking depots, or dockside duties handling container trailers.


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Front side of official catalog page for the American Coleman "Champiion II" Trailer Spotting Vehicle. 
Source:  Craig H. Trout Collection, please credit.


As an interesting side note, while the prospects originally seemed very bright for the Coleman Y-24, ultimately, the use of trailer-spotting vehicles in TOFC loading operations was almost entirely replaced by traveling overhead cranes, first used for loading semi-trailers onto 85-foot "TrailerTrain" TOFC flat cars, then later used for loading shipping containers onto TOFC flatcars. Today, TOFC flat cars have been largely replaced by specially designed articulated "well cars" (usually about three cars permanently coupled together), loaded with either single or double-stacks of shipping containers. A few TOFC "TrailerTrain" cars have survived, and have found a new life in handling extra-long loads, such as "Wind Farm" propeller blades, aircraft components being shipped for final assembly, and similar long, but not overly heavy consignments.

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
2016 ATHS Salem -- Got Coleman?     (photos that is)

My "proud but rusty budget" would not allow me to attend the 2016 ATHS Truck Show in Salem this year.   Did anyone notice any Coleman trucks or Coleman Front Drive Conversions?
  • Quite a few early Colemans were sold to the California State Highway Department, and a smaller number were sold to logging interests in Oregon and Washington, so I suspect there may still be a few "survivors" in the area that may have been brought in for the show. 
Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig 
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
ScottM (5/30/2016)
Very interesting! i eould really like to see more of the Y24 and its controls and linkages. I should check out some patent documents when I get home to see what shows up there. Are you planning to write a book?



Scott, Unless I missed it, American Coleman never actually received a "patent" for the very innovative Y-24, unless of course their production partner, Brandon Equipment Company of Chicago, was instead the patent "applicant of record."   The only trailer-spotter that Coleman actually patented (that I know of), was their 1951 Coleman "Yadmobile" developed in partnership with P.I.E. trucking
  • I will be extremely interested if you fined anything more in your own research. 
Yes, there is a pending "coffee table" style book on the History of Coleman Motors, with ATHS legend Don Chew as the author, and myself as the primary researcher. We also plan small spin-off booklets on very specific topics, such as Coleman trailer spotting vehicles, aircraft towing tractors, rotary snow plows, and such.

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig

By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
ppsyclone (6/19/2016)
Not all Colemans had the half moon hubs. This definitely a Coleman. You can see how the fill in the front wheel. Many Colemans and many conversions were this way.


Recognizing Coleman Front Drive Conversions

Yes, this is definitely Coleman Front Drive Conversion. 
  •  From the very beginning and up until the early 1950s, virtually all Coleman trucks and Coleman front drive conversions had heavy dome hub protectors, but some (not all) units after that time had Budd wheels instead. 
To recognize a Coleman Front Drive Conversion with Budd wheels, attempt to look inside the "cut-outs" in the wheel to determine if you can see the patented Coleman "Power Yoke."

Perhaps much easier to see, just look at the Transfer Case to see if it has a Coleman data plate, most often on the passenger side of the truck. All Coleman Front Drive Conversions also had to have a Coleman Transfer Case to complete the conversion.

Howe-Coleman conversions looked very similar, and are usually marked appropriately.  As a reminder, Howe-Coleman conversions before late 1950 were true, "authorized" Coleman Front Drive Conversions.  After December 1950 when Howe lost their Coleman distributorship for unauthorized substitutions of Howe Brothers-fabricated parts, they became "Howe-Coleman" conversions, and no longer one and the same as a true Coleman Front Drive Conversion.  

Hope this helps...

Keep Calm and Coleman On!

Craig


By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
2016 ATCA Macungie -- Got Coleman?  (photos that is)

This year, I was able to make my very first Macungie show ever, and thoroughly enjoyed myself, especially the truly amazing "flea market."

However, to my great disappointment, I did not see a single Coleman truck or Coleman Front Drive Conversion. I did however "score" some truly great Coleman literature in one of the booths.

Did anyone notice any Coleman Front Drive Conversions and get any photos?

My next outing will probably be the Littleton, Colorado "Western Welcome Parade" on Saturday, August 20th, which almost always has at least 4 or 5 Coleman trucks or aircraft towing tractors entered in the parade. For those of you not familiar with Coleman, their main plant was just two blocks off Main Street in Littleton, Colorado.

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
Brocky (3/4/2016)
Craig
Will you have your Coleman hat on at Macungie???  Walked past it at your and did not know it was you.


Hey Brocky!

Yes, I will be at ATCA Macungie, PA on June 17-18 in my "Orange Coleman Hat," and I am also planning on going to the regional truck shows at ATCA Deerfield, MA on May 1st, as well as ATHS Bridgewater, VA on May 21.  Sadly, I am going to miss the 2016 ATHS National Truck Show in Salem, OR, this year, just a bit too "pricey" of trip for my "proud but rusty" retirement budget...  Ha!

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Me and my "Coleman research buddy" and good friend, Don Chew, in front of David Lockard's 1918 Packard
"Liberty - Class B" truck at the 2015 ATHS National Truck Show last year in York, Pennsylvania.  


If any "Coleman faithful" ever see me wandering around any truck shows with my "Orange Coleman Hat" and camera, please stop me,

– and
"Let's Talk Coleman Trucks!"

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
John Dameron (3/8/2016)
Craig, I noticed you said you would be at Bridgewater May 21st.  What is your home town?  I may have to rethink Macungie.  The AACA Grand National Meet is the first weekend in June at Williamsport and I don't want to miss it.  If I do go to Williamsport I will probably skip Macungie.  Like you said, retirement kind of makes it too expensive to go to every show you want to see.  I will watch for you in Bridgewater. 


Hey John,

I currently live in Northern Virginia (Loudoun County), so in fully synchronizing my interests in "proud but rusty trucks" with my "proud but rusty" retirement budget, this year I will tend to go to truck shows that I can easily drive to, as opposed to air-fare, car rentals, airport parking fees and such. Although I am a bit flexible, any drive within about 7 hours of Northern Virginia is my "imaginary" truck show radius this year. I am very open to recommendations for any truck meet that is "fairly likely" to have Coleman trucks or conversions.

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig

By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
Trucker (3/8/2016)
Craig, what can you say about this 1920 Holmes truck?

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First Holmes Truck Built from the Ground Up, rather than a a purely experimental Model-T Ford Chssis Conversion...

This is the early-mid 1919 4x4 "Holmes Truck," the first of two such rough mock-up "pilot" models, and this photo was actually taken sometime after January 1920 when Harleigh Holmes and Fred Blume had added a bright red tool box to the front -- a very practical "necessity" for pilot models undergoing constant field repairs and "impromptu" modifications.

•    This photo was then taken later that same spring or early summer of 1920 durig a public demonstration along the sandy banks of the South Platte River, just west of the Rough & Ready Flour Mill in Littleton, Colorado, after having returned from field testing in Carbondale. (The flour mill and the library are in the background). This very innovative new 4x4 truck received rave reviews for backing down into the deep waters and swirling sands of the very full Platte River, then very easily climbing right back up onto the deep-sand river banks, a fete virtually unheard of for standard two-wheel-drive trucks of this early era.  And all by a truly "local' inventor with absolutely no formal engineering or mechanical training!   

•    Based on lessons learned while field testing this pictured pilot model, a second and final "production prototype" was next developed, and very rigorous field testing had begun in September 1919 in and near Carbondale, Colorado.

•    Actual "Holmes Truck" production started in Littleton in 1920, based on that second pilot model, aka "Holmes Truck, Serial #1."  After being briefly re-branded as the "Plains Truck" (1922-1923), it was not finally re-branded as the "Coleman Truck" until early 1924.  

•    This particular photo is from the "Helen Bond – Holmes Family Collection" at the Littleton Museum, and should always be credited as such.

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
The Transition from "Holmes" to "Plains," and finally "Coleman" Trucks

After two pilot models and vigorous field testing, "Holmes Truck" manufacturing finally began production in 1920 in Littleton Colorado.

•    Through investments and providing working capitol to Harleigh Holmes, the Plains Iron Works assumed financial control of the "Holmes Truck" in the late summer of 1922, now re-branding it as the "Plains Truck," and moving truck manufacturing operations from Holmes' Littleton plant to their iron foundry works in Denver.

•    However, in May of 1923, when Plains Iron Works collapsed during a period of financial stress, Harleigh Holmes dissolved the relationship, and promptly returned his truck manufacturing operations to his original plant in Littleton, however still retaining the 'Plains Truck" name, due to strong "brand-recognition" achieved during a very vigorous "Plains Truck" print ad campaign the previous Fall. 

•    The "Plains Truck" was not finally re-branded until early March 1924 when the Coleman brothers eventually completed their financial control, now re-branding it as the "Coleman Truck." 

•    As a point of lingering confusion, borthers Alfred E. and George L. Coleman had formed "Coleman Motors" in 1922 as a holding company with the intention of acquiring the "Plains Truck," but they did not achieve full financial control until March of 1924, and only then, did it become a "Coleman Truck."

>> The Holmes/Plains/Coleman truck models had remained essentially the same (with only minor upgrades) throughout 1920-1924, it was simply the "corporate flag" that kept changing in the background.  As often happens to various truck brands in the ever-shifting corporate world...

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
LOOKING FOR A VERY EARLY COLEMAN G-40 (MB-4)?

On a recent road trip, I noticed that Mr. Ed Kloss of "Kloss Equipment, Inc." Gainsvoort, New York (near Lake George), has a 1958 American Coleman G-40-A2 (MB-4) Serial #55750 (manufactured in May, 1958) for sale that appears to be "reasonably complete," with the exception of missing ballast weights, and it currently has a snowplow mounting-frame added on up front.

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1958 American Coleman G-40-A2 (MB-4) Serial #55750 (manufactured in May, 1958) in Gainsvoort,
New York. Photo by Craig H. Trout, please credit.


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Data Plate, 1958 American Coleman G-40-A2 (MB-4) Serial #55750 (manufactured in May, 1958) in
Gainsvoort, New York. Photo by Craig H. Trout, please credit.


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Cab Interior, 1958 American Coleman G-40-A2 (MB-4) Serial #55750 (manufactured in May, 1958) in
Gainsvoort, New York. Photo by Craig H. Trout, please credit.


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1958 American Coleman G-40-A2 (MB-4) Serial #55750 (manufactured in May, 1958) in Gainsvoort,
New York. Photo by Craig H. Trout, please credit.


•    Ed reports that it has run in the past, but currently needs a complete carburetor rebuild.

•    I saw it in person several months ago and it looks like it "might" be a reasonable candidate for full restoration, and perhaps even eventual "parade duty."

•    Ed Kloss has an "asking price" of $3,000 in mind, and can be reached at (518) 792-5933.

•    I have no personal role in this sale, I just would like to see this very early American Colman G-40-A2 "survivor" find a good home. Any day an old Coleman is preserved or restored is a very good day indeed...

Keep Clam and Coleman On,

Craig
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
John Dameron (3/3/2016)

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John, this has always been one of my all-time favorite Coleman restorations, and your photos are exceptional!  I very much hope it is at Macungie again this year, I am wanting to finally meet Dick Hallburg in person and spend some up-close "quality time" with this wonderful old Coleman survivor.   Thanks for sharing! 

Keep Calm and Coleman On!

Craig

By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
American Coleman G-40 (MB-4) – Identifying the "Variants"...

The early variants ("A" through "F") of the American Coleman truly ubiquitous (nearly 2,000)  "G-40" aircraft towing tractors were truly a mixed lot – some had their "variant" clearly stamped on their in-cab "data plate," and many did not.

However, after the major body change occured in 1976, as found in variants "G" and "H," most did seem to have their variant clearly stamped on their "data plate."

I have worked out the following table based on information found in "MB-4" (shop manual) "T.O. 36A10-3-6-3" for variants "A" through "D," supplemented by my own rough "estimates" for variants "E" through "H," based on selected data plates from known survivors. Slight model differences within each "variant" are indicated by a number, such as "1" or "2."  It is "possible" (not confirmed) that the following "Variant/Model" lines may also roughly equate to the various individual USAF contracts for the "MB-4," their military classification for the American Coleman G-40 aircraft towing tractor.

>> I will update this posting as new or corrected information becomes available. 


Identifying an American Coleman G-40 "Variant" based on Serial Number:


(If the in-cab "data plate" is no longer present, the 5-6 digit serial number can also be found all the way forward stamped into the left (driver's side) frame rail, roughly even with the left front fender.)

Serial numbers starting with...  /  G-40 "Variant & Model"
("actual variant / model," per American Coleman documentation)

470                                   A1
557 and 558                     A2
559 and 560                     B1
561                                   B2
562 and 563                     C1
564, 565, and 567            C2
568                                   D1
569, 570 and 571             D2
and 572069 thru 572078

(*estimated variant / model,"  based on "found" examples)

573 and 574                     *E
575                                   *F
576                                   *G
577                                   *H


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In this selectd surviving example "data plate" for G-40 Serial Number #55750 built in May 1958,
based on the above conersion table, it can be determined this "variant" was a "G-40-A2."
Craig H. Trout photo, please credit.


>> Please let me know if anyone has additional information or corrections...

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
"Coleman Motors" vs. "Howe-Coleman" – Correcting the Record...


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Howe Brothers Letterhead used in the 1930s and 1940s
-- Source: Howe Brothers, Craig H. Trout collection -- please credit


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General layout of the Howe Brothers complex drawn in the 1940s.  The layout is actually condensed,
the top building is actually father down the hill and the very long Quonset hut is actually up a gentle slope
 to the left.  The original "Carriage House" from the early 1920s still stand just out of view to the right.    
-- Source: Howe Brothers, Craig H. Trout collection -- please credit

For some years, a number of articles and postings have repeated a long-told story that Howe Brothers copied the Coleman Motors patent for their own Howe-Coleman front-drive axle, made sufficient minor changes, was granted their own unique patent, and Coleman Motors then sued Howe Brothers in open court over what Coleman perceived to be "patent infringements." Additionally, at least one article even reported that John Howe had actually "teamed up with Al Coleman and Harley [sic] Holmes in developing the first Coleman truck."

•   None of the has ever sounded quite right to me, so I decided to dig a little deeper, using both original Coleman/American Coleman and Howe Brothers company files and correspondence.

As has often been documented, Howe Brothers of near Troy, New York, were among the major East Coast distributors of Coleman Motors trucks from about 1929 to 1950. Some sources go on to suggest they were actually the "exclusive Coleman distributorship for East of the Mississippi," but this just isn't true. Official Coleman distributorship listings show at least (10) other Coleman Motors authorised distributorships in the general Northeast region, located in CT, ME, MA, NH, NJ, NY, and PA. (Howe Brothers did not even hold "exclusive" rights to the New York" sales territory.


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After their fist building in Troy burned down in about 1919, founder Frank Howe moved into this carriage house
in Brunswick Center, NY.  In this photo, as an authorized Coleman Motors dealer, Frank Howe has lined up two big E-series
Coleman tucks, and one older D-40, all fitted up with big Sargent Plows, a plow brand which Frank Howe tended to favor.  
Coleman would ship the trucks by rail, and they would arrive on the Delaware & Hudson Railroad and be
delivered to Port Albany, and then Frank and his crew would go down and drive them back to his shops.
This carriage house still stands (private), and the eventual Howe Brothers complex was built just above and
to the left of this view.
Source: Howe Brothers, Craig H. Trout collection -- please credit


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Another big early E-series Coleman Truck all turned out an "ready for work" in front of the carriage house
shops.  Note the hoist-frame mounted on the left side for the "wing plow."
--  Source: Howe Brothers, Craig H. Trout collection -- please credit


In the mid-late 1940's, second-generation brothers John and Frank Howe realized it actually may be cheaper to "in-house" fabricate several components of the authorized "Coleman Motors Front Drive Axle Kits," resulting in significant savings when purchasing the otherwise complete "conversion kits" from Coleman, while also improving the Howe Brothers's "bottom line." Coleman Motors soon realized that Howe Brothers were now substituting "unauthorized" non-Coleman components in what were being advertised and sold as true "Coleman Conversions," and promptly cancelled the Howe Brothers distributorship license effective in about December of 1950, while also threatening legal action. In addition to the very obvious "proprietary interests" regarding Howe Brothers apparently "infringing" on the pre-existing Coleman patents for the various components, Coleman, very understandably, also did not want to accidently be honoring warranties for "unauthorized" components they did not even manufacture. 


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Ciica 1949 ad for authorized Coleman-Ford conversion kits installed by Howe Brothers, which bough the
kits from Coleman Motors as the as the "CFC Coleman Ford Conversion Kit" first introduced in 1943. 
--  Craig H. Trout collection -- please credit


Accordingly, Howe Brothers made what they believed were sufficient minor modifications (primarily to how the power yoke attaches to the compensating ring) to justify applying for their own "Howe-Coleman" patent, but in spite of a thick volume of applications, denials, re-applications, and supplements, the U.S. Patent office denied all applications as not being significantly "different" from the original Coleman patent, and never actually granted a separate patent to Howe-Coleman for their somewhat modified axle design. The extended patent application process, filing of appeals and supplements, and related attorney fees became exceedingly expensive, and with business on the downturn, Howe Brothers eventually gave up on their patent applications, and a final U.S. Patent was simply never granted.

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Two models (different scales) of the power-yoke assembly.  The patented Coleman version is on the right,
and the Howe-Coleman version is on the left.  To the untrained eye, they are difficult to tell apart, but the
primary differences lay in the "cross section" (thickness) of the power-yoke, and how it actually attached
to the compensating ring.  I have laid an example Howe-Coleman compensating ring in front. 
-- Source: Craig H. Trout photo -- please credit


The legal challenges from Coleman Motors, and then successor The American Coleman Company, continued on for at least eight more years, and American Coleman even began the very aggressive strategy of contacting Howe Brothers conversion customers directly and also threatening them regarding their own "participation" in the perceived Coleman patent infringement process by knowingly buying "knock off" Coleman conversions, now being branded as "Howe-Coleman" conversions. As late as November 1958, these threatening letters were still being sent, and Donald G. Higgins (then American Coleman Sales Manager, later company president) was still reporting that American Coleman was considering legal action. Ultimately, as Howe Brothers business continued to decline, American Coleman calculated that it was just not worth the anticipated legal costs of continuing with a full-blown formal law suit and extended open court battles for a problem that was slowly going away of its own accord. In short, it appears that Coleman Motors, and then American Coleman, never actually filed their threatened suit, but their repeated "company letterhead" threats to do so clearly wore on the minds of Howe Brothers staff.

Regardless, Howe Brothers continued to do a slowly decreasing number of Howe-Coleman conversions well in to the early 1990s, when they then switched to using front-drive axles from other manufacturers, to include Rockwell, FABCO, and Marmon-Harrington. Eventually, Marmon-Harrington stopped selling the individual axle assemblies, which then just left only Rockwell and FABCO as suppliers. The last front-drive conversion (Rockwell, I believe) completed by Howe Brothers occurred in late 2014.


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Example of one of the many one-page flyers Howe Brothers published for various truck brands, to include
Chevy, GMC, Ford, Mack, International, Brockway White -- essentially any brand truck that came in the door.
 -- Source: Craig H. Trout collection -- please credit



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More modern flyer from after they switched to largely using Rockwell and FABCO front-drive axles. 
-- Source: Craig H. Trout collection -- please credit


In an interesting side-note, in the late 1940s and early 1950s, Howe Brothers briefly called their conversions the "Howe-Quad-Drive," but the axle and hub itself was physically branded as "Howe-Coleman," so it was the latter name that gained full acceptance, since it always appeared in cast bold letters on the heavy dome hub protectors, and in some cases, on the front differential housing. Originally, Howe Brothers used a heavy cast iron dome cover, but eventually switched to using a much lighter fiberglass dome cover.


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Examples of the original heavy cast iron Howe-Coleman hub protector to the left, and the lighter fiberglass
version on the right.  I have also laid a power-yoke and compensating ring assembly in front.
-- Source: Photo by Craig H. Trout -- please credit     (both hub protectors are in my personal collection)


At least one published article also reports that Howe Brothers founder John Howe (1897-1972) "teamed up with Harley [sic] Holmes in developing the first Coleman truck." Again, there are just no indications this is true. Harleigh Holmes began development of his "Fore Wheel Drive" (as he preferred to call it) in 1915, and actually patented his first "Holmes Front Drive Axle" in 1916, also founding the "Holmes Truck Manufacturing Company," a.k.a. "Holmes Motors Company," at the same time to incorporate his axle into trucks. At first, he experimented with converting a Model-T Ford truck chassis, but then eventually developed his own "Holmes Truck" in 1919, and began actual manufacturing operations in Littleton, Colorado in 1920. The initial "Holmes Truck" brand, then the "Plains Truck" brand was not actually re-branded as "Coleman" trucks until March, 1924. John Howe is never mentioned in the numerous contemporary Littleton Independent and Carbondale Item newspaper articles that commented almost weekly on the development of the Holmes Truck, and conversely, "Coleman" is not mentioned in Howe Brothers company files until about 1930. It does appear to be true, however, that John Howe went west in about 1929 and viewed the Coleman Truck, offered to go into "partnership" with Al Coleman (actual owner by this time) and Harleigh Holmes, but his offer was declined, and he only got a Coleman Trucks "dealership," which lasted until about December of 1950 when it was summarily cancelled by Coleman Motors as the result of the perceived "patent infringement" issues.


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The Howe Brothers complex as it appear today, little has changed from the 1940s when it was in it's hay-day. 
-- 
 
Source: Photo by  Craig H. Trout -- please credit   

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Current view of the lower shop buildings.  
-- Source: Photo by  Craig H. Trout -- please credit  
 

>> AFTERTHOUGHT -- Although Howe Brothers got just a bit crosswise for a bit, and Coleman Motors got rather "grumpy" with them, Howe Brothers tried very, very hard to make things "right" and get their own unique patent.  Regardless, I am very deeply impressed this small family-owned business now in it's third generation of Howe family owners, and I have come away being a huge Howe Brothers fan.  

Since there has been so much misinformation out there regarding the first "very friendly", and then eventually rather "tumultuous" Coleman Motors / Howe Brothers relationship, I thought this clarification might be interesting...


Keep Calm and Coleman on!
Craig
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
Junkmandan (1/7/2016)
Craig-------I believe this style front wheel drive was also used by International on farm tractors. My neighboring farmer in eastern NY  has what appears to be the same yoke and drive ring on his Hydro 966 tractor, with mechanical front wheel drive .


Hey Junkmandan,  You may want to glance through my post on "International Harvester "Farmall" / Coleman 4x4 Conversions" - See more at: http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/22610/Coleman-Trucks?PageIndex=16#sthash.89dCCL3d.dpuf

Craig
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
GOT COLEMAN?  Literature, that is?

For several years now, I have been trying to locate copies of the September & October copies (1940s, exact year unknown) of "Automotive World" that ran a two-part illustrated article on "Coleman Front Drive Axles and Their Installation."

•   The American Coleman Company, Littleton, Colorado, eventually issued a 6-page booklet which consisted of a reprint of these illustrated articles.


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Cover of the 6-page American Coleman booklet of the reprint
from the two "Automotive World" articles.  


 
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Example page from the undated American Coleman reprint.  


•   While I have been able to find "snippet" views of the reprint on Amazon ("no longer available"), I have not yet been able to find either the full articles or the American Coleman reprint. I am needing to add the articles or reprint to my Coleman reference library so that I can be of greater assistance to collectors who are attempting to either restore or better understand their truck (various brands) with a "Coleman Front Drive Conversion."

•   Does anyone out there have a copy of either the original articles or the reprint that you would be willing to share (purchase, loan, or a good scanned copy)?   Please "message" me to arrange particulars.

Thank you for you kind assistance...

Keep Calm and Coleman on...
Craig
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
oldtirediron (2/29/2016)
I bought a G-40 about 6 months ago, and I have started to refit it for commercial snow fighting service. The apparent lack of information on these machines has resulted in many hours staring at a screen through bloodshot eyes. Therefore I would like to thank Mr. Trout for sharing his extensive knowledge with the world. What a fascinating read.

Incidentally, perhaps I missed something in Mr. Trout's post about the various models of G-40's. At some point during the A-F model changes, Coleman moved from the Chrylser 6 cyl. industrial engine to a Chrysler LA V-8. Whether it is a 318 or 360, I am not sure. However this engine is wedded to a 4 speed automatic (Allison? That's what's on mine). This power train bridged the G model upgrade. My H model has the Allis Chalmers diesel.

On a different tack, what ever happened to American Coleman? Why doesn't anyone use that style of front driving axle anymore?

Thanks.



First of all, welcome to our friendly Coleman discussion thread!

We will truly look forward to photos of your G-40-H "MB-4" restoration and return to useful service, this time "pushing" snow, rather than "pulling" aircraft. If you do post photos, please include the general cab layout and the American Coleman data plate , if it is still present, as well as any additional details regarding your engine and transmission.

Since there is so very little published on the history of American Coleman, this is very much a "participatory learning exercise" as various people, like yourself, now share what that have learned from their own experiences.


American Coleman G-40 "MB-4" Engines and Transmissions

As for evolving engine types, yes, you are exactly right, but we are still lacking full documentation on the actual "transition" years.

•    The Oct 1964, Dec 1968, and May 1970 Technical Manuals all list the G-40 engine as being a "6-cylinder Chrysler Industrial-30" (IND30), sometimes calling it a "flat-head," and sometimes calling it an "L-head."

•    The 1964 and 1968 manuals both spec a "Clark 280-V" transmission, but the 1970 manual lists an "A731-2," which I do not recognize, but I am wondering if the "A" prefix may indicate "Allison"?

•    As you probably know, the "Chrysler LA V-8" series was first introduced in 1964 ½, but the "318" did not come out until 1967, and the "360" came out in 1971, and I do not yet know when one or both were actually first "spec'd" in an American Coleman bid for a USAF contract for the G-40 series "MB-4" tractors. 

•    The G-40-G variant did not come out until 1976, and although I have very limited documentation, I believe the "G" and "H" variants both came equipped with the "Allis-Chalmers 4331" diesel engine. I have no information on the transmission, but "Allison" would certainly make perfect sense.   I do not yet have a G-40- "H "or "G" manual, so I currently lack additional details. 

>> Keep in mind that "some" American Coleman "G-4O" survivors may have also had their engines replaced or upgraded during subsequent rebuilds.

As for your general question regarding "whatever happened to American Coleman," I will work something up in the next few days as a free-standing posting. 

Not sure I have been much help, but that is what I have so far...

Keep Calm and Coleman On!

Craig
By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
Jeff Lakaszcyck (3/1/2016)
Craig, fyi someone posted in the Members section looking for info about a 1956 Ford F600 with a Coleman conversion. I suggested he post here but he hasn't yet.

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/91221/New-guy


Thanks Jeff, I'll watch for him and do what I can to help..

Craig

By chtrout - 2 Years Ago
What Finally Happened to American Coleman – Why Did It Cease Operations?

In terms of why American Coleman eventually ceased operations in February of 1987, it was perhaps a "perfect storm" of inter-related events.

•    When visionary "president" Emmet L. "Ted" Martin sold out in December of 1968 and retired, the company was purchased by Kansas City Southern Industries (parent company of Kansas City Southern Railroad), and this remote-ownership by a railroad with zero experience in truck building, and accordingly, a lack of interest in truck-building research and development, resulted in a virtual end to meaningful upgrades in order to remain truly competitive. KCSI even eventually ordered the American Coleman "president" to instead establish his offices in Kansas City, while only leaving a "Vice President and General Manager" on site at the Littleton, Colorado plant, thus aptly characterizing KCSI's off-site, "corporate-centric vs. production-centric," remote-management style. 

•    Also, with the advent of increasingly smaller military aircraft, "top-end" towing capacities became much less in demand, and many of the nearly 2,000 "G-40"s produced so far were still in active service (American Coleman had become a victim of its own high standards of exceptional durability and service life).

•    Additionally, OSHA changes in brake-design requirements would have required a total redesign in the basic patented American Coleman hub design, so American Coleman "EH-62" truck sales and G-40 aircraft towing tractor sales fell off sharply, with the 350-unit "G-40-H" contract completed in the late fall of 1981 perhaps being their very last known large military contract. 

•    After this, in addition to axle sales and continuing strong sales from the parts department, the only active "new" vehicle product line was the Champion-II "Yard Horse" series (spotting vehicles), as well as some totally irrelevant very minor product lines imposed by Kansas City Southern, such as the "Sentry Dispatch" power-management system for railroad engines, as well as the "Phone Dispatch" automatic telephone dialing system. When KCSI shut American Coleman operations down in February 1987, they sold off the Champion "Yard Horse" series to Ottawa Truck Corporation of Ottawa Kansas, which then promptly closed down the Champion product line, since it had been their primary source of direct competition. 

And sadly, American Coleman simply was no more...

Keep Calm and Coleman on!

Craig

By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
JimF39 (10/16/2015)
Here's what differences that I've noticed on this unit, compared to a CF-55-AF.  The cab is set further forward, and lower over the wheels. It has a shorter, lower and narrower hood. The cowl of the cab is tapered on the sides and top to meet the hood. (smaller engine?)  The angle of the photo makes it difficult to compare wheelbases, I think it just gives the illusion of being a shorter wheelbase.


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Here is a photo of a 1951 CF-55-AF for comparison purposes.  Dad took this photo while he was woking as an
 inspector.  He was soon reassigned to install winterization kits on these big brutes.  At 3-4 years old,
these are my first memories of a Coleman truck, and my very first ride down to Church Street on a test drive.
The four-wheel steering and the ability to "crab" made these monsters unusually agile. 
Source: Craig H. Trout Collection -- please credit


Jim, 

Now that I have pulled a CF-55-AF photo for closer comparison, I think you are exactly right on all your observations.  Besides having a single cab rather than a double cab, it is definitely farther forward, but they do appear to have a similar wheelbase.  The radiator cowling appears to be very similar, but on the CF-55-AF,  the hood slopes up to the cab, but on the SAME model, it is nearly level, and gives the appearance of a smaller engine.   Regardless, I continue to suspect it was a special order that was loosely based on the CF-55-AF chassis as a starting point.   Perhaps SAME provided their own engine, or re-powered the unit after it arrived. 

Craig
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
JimF39 (10/17/2015)
Possibly acquired surplus, and repurposed by SAME as a prime mover.


Actually, that makes great sense! 
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
Hey Cobra5,

I already commented on your 1980 American Coleman G-40-H (MB-4) aircraft towing tractor on the previous thread.  I will pull together some more interesting details on the "G" and "H" variants of the G-40 in the next few days and post some detailed information by this weekend.  

I think you will enjoy what I am pulling together for you...

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
cobra5 (11/4/2015)
Thanks for the welcome!
 Craig I look forward to reading your post. So are you the guru when it comes to all things Coleman? It seems that every site I belong to has the go to guy when it comes to needing information. The biggest hurdle so far has been getting a copy of the USAF manual for this tug. I have the manual numbers but so far all my connections in the Air Force have come up empty. I did find a vendor who deals in manuals that has them but I'm not going to pay $1,500 for 3 manuals.
Thanks Again!
Tim


American Coleman Manuals for the G-40 (MB-4) Aircraft Towing Tractor

American Coleman manuals for the G-40 (MB-4) are often available  for the Oct 1964, Dec 1968, and May 1970 editions, but they are for the previous G-40 variants "A" through "F," which had a totally different cab, different engine and perhaps other differences in the axles, transmission, transfers case and drive train.

So far, I have not located a manual for the G-40 "G" and "H" variants (nearly identical), but I will absolutely keep you in mind. The "G" variant came out in about 1976, so in your searches, a manual would have to be dated 1976 or later to be relevant for your G-40-H.  Hope that helps narrow your search. 

Keep Calm and Coleman On
Craig

By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
Brocky (11/6/2015)
Craig
This picture of a B-75 Mack just showed up on Big Mack Trucks.  Looks like a Coleman front axle?

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Hey Brocky, great photo, thanks for sharing!

Yes, that is a Coleman front axle. Both Mack in-plant factory installations and after-market Coleman conversions looked somewhat distinctive with the very prominent "rim adapter ring" showing around the heavy dome hub protector, which could all be taken off as one unit.  Behind that outer assembly is where the "power yoke" attaches to the "compensating ring," which in turn is attached directly to the wheel rim in order to transmit the power directly from the axle shaft to the wheel rim. That patented and very distinctive arrangement is "what made a Coleman a Coleman."

Coleman Brand-Specific Conversion Kits for Ford, Chevrolet, Mack, White and International Trucks

The below photo actually shows an example Howe-Coleman conversion, but American Coleman was providing front drive axles directly to Mack for in-plant installations by 1955, and had also been providing special brand-specific after-market Mack-Coleman conversion kits since the late 1940s.  
  • Overall, I know of "brand-specific" Coleman after-market conversion kits for Ford, Chevrolet, Mack, White, and International trucks, all kits dating to the very early 1950s or perhaps late 1940s.  These could be installed by any of the (57) authorized Coleman distributors, or even any competent garage mechanic. 
  • There may be other brand-specific Coleman conversion kits that I have not yet identified.  Anyone know of more brands out there?
  • Coleman could of course also do "in-plant" conversions of just about any brand -- I have even seen Studebaker trucks -- but this was custom work and not known to be offered as established "brand-specific" kits for use in the field. 
  • Skilled shops like Howe Brothers of Troy, NY could also convert literally just about any brand truck that came in the door, but they were using "Howe-Coleman" conversions, which were actually an unauthorized knock-off of true Coleman conversions, and this caused Howe Brothers some real legal difficulties due to perceived patent infringement claims made by Coleman starting in December, 1950.   Howe brothers branded their own axle assembly the "Howe-Coleman," but they actually called the completed conversion a "Howe Quad Conversion," although that latter name never really caught on and quickly fell into disuse.  

>>> I am not a "Mack" guy, but I am thinking the photo below is a 1955-to-late 1950s "B" series Mack. Does anyone know for sure?

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Source:  Howe Brothers, Craig H. Trout collection, please credit. 

Also -- question, is that radiator on the photo you posted "original stock," or has it been swapped out with an upgrade? It doesn't look quite right to me, but then again, I am not a "Mack" guy, so I am not sure about the various truck models.

Thanks again for sharing the very interesting photo!

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
American Coleman G-40 (MB-4) Aircraft Towing Tractors, First and Second Series...

There has often been interest in the various American Coleman aircraft towing tractors (sometimes informally dubbed "tugs" by USAF ground crews) to include the three series of CF-55-AF double-cab jobs from three consecutive contracts in 1949, 1950, and 1951, followed by multiple large contracts for American Coleman G-40 tractors (classified as type MB-4s by the USAF), and then followed by several smaller contracts for American Coleman G-75s (USAF designation A/S32U-18 or "U-18" for short). The G-75 was essentially an upgraded G-40 with a larger engine and significantly more ballast for traction.  Like the G-40 before it, the cab and doors of the G-75 could also be removed for warm weather conditions.  

The American Coleman G-40 (MB-4) was developed in early 1954 for all-weather towing of aircraft weighing up to 140,000 lbs. The cab was designed so that the top half and doors could be removed for service in hot weather conditions. After completing its test and evaluation phase at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio, it was formally accepted by the USAF in late 1954 and a continuing series of very large contracts resulted in a total of 1,197 units being delivered by 1961, and continued strong production through at least 1981, if not later, with the final grand total yet to be determined.

Variants A through F

At least (8) variants of the basic G-40 design model were developed in (6) variants A through F, and then followed (after some major design changes) with at least (2) more variants, G and H, if not more. The initial G-40 aircraft towing tractor weighed in at 10,700 lbs, had a drawbar pull of 10,000 lbs, a wheelbase of 161.3", a top (governed) speed of 40 mph, and came powered with a with a 94 hp 6-cylinder "L-Head" Chrysler "Industrial-30" gasoline engine. The G-40 had 4-wheel-drive, 4-wheel steering, and turning radius of 15' and was famous for its ability to "crab" into difficult-to-reach positions.

•    Units were shipped to military bases for the US and allies all over the world, usually dressed in either bright "ground-support" yellow or olive drab. Military units delivered in bright yellow ordinarily had the tops of their hoods painted in non-glare flat black, but were often repainted in all yellow during USAF re-builds.  The small sky light on the roof was ordinarily delivered with green-tinted polarized safety glass and helped ground crews judge their vertical clearance when easing under the nose or wings of large aircraft.  As delivered, most military units had large opposing diagonal black stripes on the front and rear ballast sets, which also doubled as "bumpers."  All units had very basic cab interiors that included builder's data plates as well as other plates with operational and maintenance information, as well as shift-pattern and "crabbing" diagrams. 

•    Several commercial companies, such as Frontier Airlines, also purchased a small number of G-40s, but the various airlines usually had their units delivered in pristine white. 

•  In terms of "branding," variants A-F ordinarily had flat black, non-curved Coleman "script" name plates about 13" wide and 3 1/2" high (the "C" and the "l"), on raised letters approximately 1/4" deep.  Variant-G tended to be branded with the somewhat modernized two-line "American Coleman" with "Littleton, Colorado" in small raised print on the bar between. These name plates were 8" wide and 1 1/2" high and were ordinarily flat black on yellow units, but have been seen in chrome plate on occasion.  Variant-H was often branded with a very basic American Coleman painted in large block letters across the radiator guard.  The above "branding" varied on some units, and a few units were even branded with the portrait-format cursive half-blue / half-red very large "a," with "American Coleman" in small print below, all printed in enamel on a chrome-plated radiator badge.  Again, these official branding schemes varied, especially around transition period from the old E and F variant to the new G and H variants, but can be used as a very general guide.    .   

•   In terms of MB-4 manuals for American Coleman G-40 Variants A-F, official government manuals are known to have been published or updated on the following dates:

•    MB-4: 4 Oct 1964/1984   (T.O. 36A10-3-6-3; Technical Manual; Overhaul; Towing Tractor; Type MB-4, Model G-40, Coleman, F09603-84-C-0322; Published under the authority of the Secretary of the Air Force, 4 Oct 1964, Change-8, 26 Jan 1984)

•    MB-4; 16 Dec 1968    (T.O. 36A10-3-6-3; Overhaul Manual; Aircraft Towing Tractor; Models G-40-A, G-40-B, G-40-C, G-40-D; 305-156; The American Coleman Company, 5801 South Nevada, Box 72, Littleton, Colorado, 80120)

•    MB-4; May 1970     (TM 55-1740-200-14, Dept of the Army Technical Manual; Operator's, Organizational, DS, and GS Maintenance Manual including Repair Parts and Special Tools List; Tractor, Wheeled, Aircraft Towing, HQ, Dept of the Army, May 1970)

IMPORTANT NOTE: When considering the purchase of an MB-4 manual, be very sure it is for an American Coleman G-40, and not for the other totally unique MB-4 versions produced by Grove, Entwistle, NMC-Wollard, PSI, Dodge "bob tails," and others. BOTTOM LINE: All American Coleman G-40s were classified as MB-4s, but not all MB-4s were American Coleman G-40s.

•    There are many survivors of this first series of variants still working as makeshift snow plows, or in heavy-tow applications, such as construction and logging jobs.  There are also significant numbers sitting in equipment yards just waiting to be brought back to life. 


•    In terms of shear numbers produced, this was one of the most successful single designs in either Coleman or American Coleman history.

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Official American Coleman photo of a G-40 from variants A-F.
Source:  John Grissinger Photo, Craig H. Trout collection, please credit. 


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Official American Coleman photo of a G-40 from variants A-F, this time showing the rear deck area. .
Source:  John Grissinger Photo, Craig H. Trout collection, please credit. 

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Fairly typical interior layout for G-40 variants A through F. 
Source:  Craig H. Trout photo, please credit. 


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Typical G-40 Data Pate, in this case, representing Variant-F in the series.  This particular USAF
 contract was produced in July of 1975, not long before the re-design to Variant-G the following year. . 


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Very colorful official American Coleman brochure for the G-40, continuing with the 1949 advertising theme,
"We're Moving the World." 
Source:  Original brochure in the Craig H. Trout collection, please credit.  


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A very informative layout from the interior of the above brochure touting the versatility of the G-40.  The various
photos depict both military, industrial, and commercial applications.  
Source:  Original brochure in the Craig H. Trout collection, please credit.  



Variants G and H

Although not quite as ruggedly handsome as its more "boxy" G-40 (MB-4) predecessors (variants A-F), the American Coleman G-40 was simplified in 1976 with a one-piece hood/fender combination that now tilted forward for servicing of the new, more powerful Allis-Chalmers 4331 engine (Earlier variants had Chrysler Industrial-30 engines).  Although appearing to be smaller, the new variant now weighed in at 11,000 lbs (without ballast), or that is to say, 300 lbs more than previous variants, but still had drawbar pull rated at 10,000 lbs.  

•    It is believed that its other principal mechanical specifications of the upgraded G-40, such as tread, wheel base, and turning radius remained essentially the same.

•    In terms of USAF MB-4 manuals for American Coleman G-40 Variants G-H, I am told the following editions were published, although I have not yet located my own copies:

•   MB-4, Jan 1988   (Maintenance Manual; 36a10-3-23-13; Jan 1988)

•   MB-4, May 1993   (G-40-G & H; Operators Manual, 36A10-3-23-11; May 1993),

•   MB-4,  Apr 2010   (Parts Manual; 36A10-3-23-14; Apr 2010).

IMPORTANT NOTE: When considering the purchase of an MB-4 manual, be very sure it is for an American Coleman G-40, and not for the other totally unique MB-4 versions produced by Grove, Entwistle, NMC-Wollard, PSI, Dodge "bob tails," and others. BOTTOM LINE: All American Coleman G-40s were classified as MB-4s, but not all MB-4s were American Coleman G-40s.
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Official American Coleman photo of a G-40 from variants G-H.
Source:  John Grissinger Photo, Craig H. Trout collection, please credit. 

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1976  official American Coleman Brochure announcing the the upgrades of variant G.  Note suggested uses
include military and commercial aircraft towing, industrial yard hustlers, agricultural field hauling, and use
 as snow plows. 
Source:  Original brochure in the Craig H. Trout collection, please credit.  


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The brochure interior also features a photo of the new tilt-forward hood design for easier engine access. 
Source:  Original brochure in the Craig H. Trout collection, please credit.  

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Interior photo of a "Variant-G or H" G-40 aircraft towing tractor.

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Although rearranged somewhat from the previous photo, this is also believed to be a Variant-G or H cab interior. 
Source:  Original photo in the Craig H. Trout collection, please credit.  

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Typical data plate from a G-40 variant "G."  This USAF contract was produced in April 1977.

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In 2013, the Telluride Regional Airport (TEX) in Colorado made news when it retrofitted their surplus USAF
1980 G-40 (variant "H"?) from its original Allis-Chalmers 4331 diesel engine to a 50 hp electric powered by (6)
24-volt batteries, thus significantly reducing their carbon footprint during ground operations.   
Source: © Telluride Regional Airport (TEX), please credit.
 
 
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The G-40 electric retrofit drew praise from environmentalists and allowed Telluride Regional
Airport  to announce it had gone "Green" in its ground operations.  Wayne Alexander from 
"Electric Blue" in Walton, Kansas made the conversion, with technical assistance from Bob 
Batson of "EV America "in Wolfeboro, New Hampshire.  Now at 35 yeas old, this American 
Coleman G-40 has found a comfortable new life and continues to turn heads in its new pristine
white livery. The original G-40 appearance  was virtually unchanged by the innovative conversion. 
Source: © Telluride Regional Airport (TEX), please credit. 

--  Any day an old Coleman is restored and returned to a useful life is a very good day in deed! 

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig

By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
MB-4 (G-40) American Coleman Aircraft Towing Tractor Posted on eBay


From time to time, I notice various MB-4s sitting derelict, most of which are in pretty poor condition or heavily altered, but this one appears to be in reasonable shape and essentially "ready to go" for a full restoration.

•   I have no interest in this sale beyond just encouraging the preservation or restoration of Coleman trucks, aircraft towing tractors ("tugs"), and Coleman Front Drive conversions whenever possible.


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For more information, see:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/MB-4-American-Coleman-Aircraft-Tug-Tractor-4-Wheel-Steering-2WD-4WD-/381411196183?hash=item58cde0fd17

Data:   (per the seller)

MB-4 American Coleman Aircraft Tug Tractor
Year: 1970
Make: American Coleman
Model: MB-4 / G-40
Engine: 6 Cylinder Chrysler 30-1627-1
Fuel Type: Gasoline
Mileage: 12,259.7
Hours: 833.7
Towing Capacity: 100,000 lbs
Drawbar Pull: 10,000 lbs
Serial Number: 569072
Engine Serial Number: E083838
Weight: 10,700 lbs gross weight
  • Reportedly runs, but may need servicing.  
  • The only major alteration seems to be the axillary hitch device in front.  The tires are not the orginal heavy "diamond tread" design, but would be just fine in the short run. 

Keep Calm and Coleman on!
Craig
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
American Coleman Shop Manuals Needed...

I am trying to locate copies of the following American Coleman shop manuals. Does anyone have copies that I could scan and return? Or PDFs that you have already scanned?
  • "Coleman Front Drive Axle Unit Selection and Usage of Transfer Cases" - The American Coleman Company
  • "Coleman Drive Axles and Their Installation" – (as appeared in an article in "Automotive World" - date?)
I am also looking for the installation shop manual that a garage would have used to install a "Coleman Front Drive" conversion "kit."

If you think you can help me out, please PM me so we can work out particulars to your complete satisfaction.

Any help or suggestions would be truly appreciated!

Craig
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
1962 American Coleman EH-62; Declutching Problems with the Transfer Case...

I have a friend who recently purchased a 1962 American Coleman EH-62 that is generally in very good shape, but he seems to be having problems with the declutching mechanism on the transfer case.  If he is correct, it is an "American Coleman model 112a transfer case," but I do not have any references to that model in my reference library.
  • In short, he has having trouble engaging the front wheel drive. 
  • I am not familiar enough with transfer case problems to be able to help him. 

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He thinks he may have some form of linkage missing, but I am not at all sure from the photos he provided.

Is there anyone out there that would be willing to discuss his problem with him if he were to give you a call?

If you think you can help him out, please PM me with your name and phone number and I will arrange for him to give you a call.

Thanks in advance for any assistance or suggestions!

Keep Calm and Coleman On!

Craig
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
Brocky (10/6/2015)
Craig

Found this over on Big Mack Trucks site.

http://www.bigmacktrucks.com/index.php?/topic/42071-1956-ford-f-700-awd/


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Wow!  Great looking truck!   I will write something in the near future regarding the different Coleman hub types and why some do not have the familiar heavy dome hub protector...

Thanks Brocky!
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
JimF39 (10/15/2015)
This photo was recently posted in a Facebook group. I've never seen a Coleman like this, can anyone provide some info?  The caption said "In Italy".http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/5e185a4a-9b2a-4b50-92cd-9b7e.jpg


Hey Jim,

Wow, truly Great photo!

I have never seen anything quit like this before, so I am assuming it was a "special order."  That appears to be a chassis very similar to the 1951 series of double-cab CF-55-AF built for the US Air Force to pull B-36s.  This single GM cab, very unique hood, and unusual body in back, may have been simple modifications to the AC55AF, but perhaps with a larger engine.  That is clearly the standard "Coleman" script name plate across the radiator, and of course it has the standard Coleman heavy dome hub protectors all around.  All Colemans of this era that were designated for "export" had the same three metal bands across the radiator, and this example seems to follow that specification.

If anyone learns antyhing more about this photo, I would be extremely interested.

Thanks for sharing this, Jim!

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig

By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
John Frances (10/15/2015)
Here's the original picture from an Italian forum, it's much bigger.



Thanks John, much better detail!
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
Transition from "Coleman Motors" to "American Coleman," via "The American Road Equipment Company"


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"American No. 6"  model road grader manufactured by the American Road Equipment Company of Omaha,
 Nebraska.  Source: (unknown)  Internet.


There is frequently some degree of confusion as to just where "Omaha" fits into the Coleman / American Coleman corporate family tree. 
  • In Oct 1948, George L. Meffley, then president and principal stockholder of "Coleman Motors," Littleton, Colorado, sold his controlling-interest shares to the "American Road Equipment Company" in Omaha, resulting in that new parent company then being reorganized as the "American Coleman Company," with all sales and distribution offices being in both Omaha (domestic sales - managed by Howard H. Agee) and Chicago (international sales -- managed by E.L. Martin). However, all actual truck manufacturing still continued at Littleton, Colorado, and still under the "Coleman Motors" name, regardless of absentee corporate ownership. 
  • In Feb 1953, two of the Omaha men, E.L "Ted" Martin and B.I. "Fritz" Noble, finalized their purchase of controlling interest in the operation, immediately moving all offices back to the manufacturing plant in Littleton, while at the same time formally changing the truck name itself to "American Coleman."  Among the other "Omaha" men who also made the move to Littleton was Don Higgins, who would eventually be named president, replacing "Ted" Martin when he sold out his shares in December 1966 to Kansas City Southern Industries and retired. 
  • Not sure what happened at this point (1953) to the former American Road Equipment product line (primarily road graders, as well as road grader-conversion units for farm tractors), but that separate product line never did move to Littleton and seems to have soon simply faded away. 
To clarify, Coleman trucks were never actually "manufactured" in Omaha - that was simply the domestic sales and distribution office in a suite on the second floor of the WOW (Woodman of the World) building in Omaha. I am not sure where their entirely separate road grader product lines were assembled, but I have no indication so far that any "Coleman" manufacturing ever took place there.

However, it was not unusual during the period of early 1949 through late 1952 to see Coleman Trucks being shipped to Omaha to either be demonstrated or shown for sales purposes, hence several "sales photos" with imprints showing Omaha-based commercial photographers. 

The following letterheads and imprints were typical during the transition period:


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In the third letterhead down, note the "AC" logo very briefly used in 1952, then never seen again...
Source: all four letterheads are from my personal collection, please credit me as appropriate


Research Questions:
 
  • Is anyone out there familiar with exactly where American Road Equipment Company had their assembly plant? 
  • Does anyone have any more details on their product lines?   I have seen a number of International Harvester  and other farm tractors converted into light-duty road graders with American Road Equipement Company "front-ends" and grader assemblies, but have not yet found any sales materials and such.  
Anyway, I thought the above brief explanation might help make sense out of Coleman catalog sheets and other printed materials that carry the "WOW Building, Omaha, Nebraska" address, even though all Coleman trucks and aircraft towing tractors were still being built in Littleton, Colorado.

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
1949 Factory-Built COE Ford F5 Boom Truck with Coleman Front-Wheel-Drive

I am not involved in this sale in any way, but just noticed this on eBay. My only interest is in seeing Coleman trucks and Coleman conversions preserved whenever possible.

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  • This is an interesting truck on several levels, not only for rare Ford truck collectors, but also for Coleman 4x4 conversion enthusiasts.
  • This is the same truck that was up for sale about a year or so ago, but now seems to have some light repairs, including re-hanging the rear passenger-side door. 
  • For full mechanical details and more photos, see: 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Other-1949-Ford-F5-4x4-COE-Boom-Truck-/201410791173?forcerrptr=true&hash=item2ee504c705&item=201410791173


Keep Calm and Coleman On!

By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
Coleman Trucks in the 2015 Littleton 87th Western Welcome Week Grand Parade

Although I originally didn't think I could make it, I finally met all my deadlines at work and flew from Virginia to Colorado to attend the 87th Western Welcome Week Grand Parade in Littleton, Colorado, held on Saturday morning, August 15, 2015. It was a gorgeous day, and the parade was extremely well attended.  It was great fun as the ripple of applause broke into actual cheers as our little convoy of venerable Coleman trucks made their way down Main Street. 
  • For those of you not familiar, Coleman Trucks, and then later, American Coleman Trucks were manufactured at their main plant on Nevada Street near downtown, Littleton, Colorado, and so it has been a tradition over the many, many years for Coleman Trucks to appear in the annual "Western Welcome Week Grand Parade," formerly known as the Littleton "Homecoming Parade." 
  • When Coleman was still in full production, it was not unusual to see a groups of 4 or 5 shiny new yellow MB-4 aircraft towing tractors demonstrating their 4-wheel steering "shenanigans" – crabbing, weaving around, turning very tight 15' circles and such to the delight of all involved. Coleman would also enter other trucks and tractors currently in production, and it was always a real treat to see. At peak production (early 1950s), Coleman had over 450 employees, most all living in the Littleton area, so this was the chance for the whole family, friends and neighbors to see what their fathers had built at work.  I have many very fond childhood memories of seeing the Coleman trucks " do their stuff" in the parades each year.
  • Although in recent years, there have been as many as 6 restored, or partially-restored Colemans in the parade, this year there were only three:

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Buck Kemphausen's circa 1933-34 Coleman E-54, fully restored, and railed in back for parade duty.
This truck had sat for many years outside a general store in Minturn, Colorado loaded with antlers,
and if you could guess how many, you just "might" get a free cup of coffee. 
Source:  Craig H. Trout photo, please credit. 

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Passenger-side 3/4 view of Buck's Coleman E-54. Note the sliding door, Coleman-fabricated cab, and the
 high-mount headlights for snow plow duty  It originally had a dump bed in back, but eventully was a
boom truck, and there is a heavy winch just behind the cab.   
Source:  Craig H. Trout photo, please credit.

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Buck's 1965 G-75 (USAF designation U-18) serial number 56,5136.  It developed an oil leak and had to
be pulled from the parade line-up just before we started.  It had been built in May 1965, was rated for
aircraft 100,000 -- 250,000 lbs, weighed in at 25,400 lbs, had a drawbar pull of 18,000 lbs, and had a
"governed" speed of 30mph. As with the MB-4 before it, the top of the cab could be removed for warm-
weather operaations.  
Source:  Craig H. Trout photo, please credit.

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Buck's 1964 G-75, serial number 56,3122.  Although in fresher paint, it is actually the older of the two
G-75's and was produced in March of 1964, perhaps for the very first USAF contract for this new G-75
 model, which was essentially an up-graded MB-4 with a bigger enigne and more ballast for traction.  
Don Chew has always said that the G-75 was the "sweetest handling"  aircragt towing tractor he had
ever been around in his many decades of experience.  
Source:  Craig H. Trout photo, please credit.

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That's me standing with the venerable old E-54, now nicely restored.  I am 6' 2", so that gives an idea of
the size of this truck  A truly fun day for me...
Source:  Craig H. Trout photo, please credit.

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A Coleman-cab-top view of entering downtown Littleton during the annual parade, something Colemans
have done almost every year since the parade had first been inaugurated in 1928, some 87 years ago.  
Even before that, there were regular Littleton Independent newspaper accounts of Coleman tucks being
displayed on Main Street or being run in various parades. It was a great honor to once again ride in a
Coleman in this parade, something I had not done since I was about 9 years old in the back of a very
shiny new yellow MB-4.   
Source:  Craig H. Trout photo, please credit.


Due to people being out of town, health issues and such, several expected Colemans did not make it this year, but we are hoping for big numbers next year.

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
thundersnow70 (9/3/2015)
That parade looks like a great time. Thanks for posting the pics. I picked up a Ford script flatbed for my F4 Coleman. Maybe someday it will be worthy of the parade. I send you the MC 9 manual Craig. Sent you an email but haven't heard back. Let me know if you got it please. Thanks............Mark


Hey Mark!

I just got home last night from a trip for work and your manual was there waiting for me. I am going to spend some time with it later today. I have also sent you an email...

Thank you again, that was extremely thoughtful and generous to you to share a copy of that with me!

Thanks again!
Craig
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
John Frances (9/7/2015)
Original axle strapped on the back.
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Hey John,

Great shot of a Coleman Front Drive Conversion, presumably from their "kit" that sold so very well.

I am not a Ford guy and I cannot quite read the Ford model number. Do you know?

Several other photos I have seen from Truck Engineering Corporation always have quite a bit of data on the back. Does this one include the Coleman axle model #?

My sense is that Truck Engineering Corporation in St. Louis did quite a few conversions over the years, but virtually any competent garage could install the Coleman kit purchased from an authorized Coleman dealership. I have also seen quite a few installed by Pallady Welding & Equipment Company in Oklahoma City.  Both companies were "authorized dealers" for Coleman Front-Drive Conversion kits. .

By this time, Howe-Coleman was also installing their own "knock-off" version based on a slightly-altered Coleman axle that on which they attempted (unsuccessfully) to get their own patent. 

Do you have any more of these? Again great shot – thank you for sharing!!

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig

By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
Circa 1929 Coleman D-40 at Macungie?

My Sep/Oct issue of Double Clutch arrived today, and in the coverage of the 2015 ATCA Truck Show in Macungie, just barely visible in the background are two shots (pages 6 and 12) of what appears to be Dick Hallberg's very nicely restored circa 1929 D-40(?) Coleman Truck. I was disappointed they did not give it any actual coverage.


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Source: Photo by Gene Herman, later published in Hemmings Motor News. . . 

Did anyone attend Macungie, and if so, did anyone get any good photos of this big yellow Coleman? I have been trying to arrange to get photos of the data plate(s) inside the cab, and also the data plate on the dump bed, but have not yet been successful.

I made it to York (ATHS) this year, but missed Macungie...  Obviously I missed out on a very good show. 

Thanks in advance for any photos!

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
American Coleman "Champion" Yard Horse series

American Coleman's last major product line was the Champion Heavy-Duty Trailer Spotter, and its many variants. 


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By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
Tutlebrain (8/2/2015)
Craig,

You mentioned the IH with Colemen front axles, here's one of a few we had in Israel. These were used in the operator's, Egged, Sinai desert routes. One was preserved by them in derivable condition. 

Cheers

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Great shot!  Those Coleman heavy dome hub protectors really show.  
  • IH bought very large numbers of Coleman front drive axle assemblies for IH in-plant installation on their medium-heavy duty truck lines, as well as on special-order Farmall tractors.  At one point in the late 50s or early 60's, American Coleman was shipping up to 14 truckloads of front-drive axles a week, but not all to IH of course.  
Thanks for sharing!!

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig

By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
International Trucks with IH in-plant installation of Coleman Front Drive axles...

Here is an example of an IH "RF-190 (6x6)" with an IH in-plant installation of Coleman Front Dive axles.  There are still a number of suvivors out there.   
  • Rather than the usual Coleman heavy dome hub protectors, they had a much flatter look, but still were very easy to spot.  I have never heard their true name, I have always just called them "cake pan" hub protectors.  Ha!

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By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
Coleman Front Drive Axles installed by other truck manufacturers

Coleman Front Drive Axle "conversions" were installed on a wide variety of trucks starting in 1939 -- mainly on Chevy, Ford, and IH, with smaller numbers on Doge, Mack, White, Autocar, GMC and such. There had been a very low volume of "spot" conversions before then, but 1939 is when the numbers really started to kick in and it became a major marketing push. 

By 1943, Coleman had developed official "Coleman Front Drive Conversion Kits" that any competent garage could order through and authorized Coleman dealer and install for a customer, and they sold very well.

IH and Mack were the first to do actual in-plant installations on their production lines in 1958.
  •  If anybody has any data on other truck companies that did "special order" assembly-line installation of Coleman Front Drive Axles, I will always be interested. Actual catalog pages are always appreciated!.
As for farm tractors (by special order), IH Farmall, Minneapolis-Moline, Cockshutt, Case, Oliver, and perhaps others. 

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
Hambone (8/2/2015)
Early on there was at least one FWD with Coleman axles.
Craig the Littleton parade is in two weeks, I''l try to make it and get some shots of any Colemans. Met a fellow last year who just purchased a G75? the dash plate show A/S32U-18. Said he hopes to put it in the parade this year.


Coleman Front Drive Axles on FWDs...


Hey Bill,

Yes, in January 1921, FWD asked Harleigh Holmes for a demonstration of a Holmes Truck and then requested he install his "Holmes Front Wheel Drive" on a FWD chassis. I have always thought it was just a "ploy" by the FWD engineering department to get their first good look at the new "upstart" competitor that was getting so much attention. The Holmes front-drive FWD was then around Denver for some years and was owned by Paul V. Jennings, the FWD distributor for the Denver region.  Very interesting hybrid, to say the least...
 
As for the Western Welcome Week parade in Littleton, I had truly hoped to go this year, but I just could not quite work it out with my job (pending deadlines and such).

Yes, the American Coleman G-75 was designated by the USAF as the "AF Type A/S 32U-18, or "U-18" for short. The G-75 was essentially an upgraded G-40 (MB-4) with more power and was also much more heavily ballasted for greater traction. It also had essentially the same cab, and as with the MB-4. the top could also be removed for warm weather operations.  If it is in the parade, I would be extremely interested in photos of the data plate(s).

There may also be some EH-62s in the parade, as well as the usual big "D" and "E"-series trucks from the late 1920s and 1930s (Ken Kafka, David Wardle, et al). There may even be an early G-55 (SHD), and an MB-4.

Please, please, take loads of pictures, and please include the data plates if you can get access to the cabs, as well as shots of the serial numbers (stamped into the side of the leading end of the frame rail on the diver's side).

I am so deeply disappointed that I just cannot make it. Please give Don Chew, Ken Kafka, Jim Hatfield, Ralph Selby and all the other Coleman Faithful "my very best" if you see them.

Thanks Hambone!!

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig

By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
Hey Turtlebrain!

Wow, you are right – they do look very similar to the style of Coleman Front Drive axles that IH and others were installing on their assembly lines.

The following are two better examples. Although they are farm tractors, I chose them because in yellow, it is relatively easy to make out the details. What are your thoughts?


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Also, please remind us where you are located? Your posts are often fascinating! 

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
Got Coleman???   (Literature, that is...)


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Example catalog page (front side) I recently provided to a collector who is rebuiding his
Ford F-4 and it's Coleman front-wheel-drive.  
Source:  Craig H. Trout, Collection, if used, please credit me. 

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First page from the Coleman manual I recently provided to a collector
rebuidling his Ford F-4 truck which is fitted with Coleman front-wheel-drive.  
Source:  Craig H Trout Collection, if used, please credit me.  


In my on-going research into the history of Holmes / Plains / Coleman / American Coleman, I have a standing interest in adding more catalog pages, sales materials, spec sheets, and literature to my growing Coleman research library.   And photos too, of course!

This growing research library serves three primary purposes:

   1.  Support Don Chew's pending book on the History of Coleman Motors

    2.  Support the Littleton Historical Museum's fine collection of Coleman literature and artifacts.

    3.  Support Coleman truck collectors who are in need of information while rebuilding/restoring their Coleman trucks/aircraft towing tractors, or other trucks brands converted to Colman front-wheel-drive.

Why do I do this? Simple.  My late father worked at Coleman from 30 years (1950-1980), and I am truly a "Coleman-brat," having hung around the assembly lines and erecting floors the whole time while I was growing up in Littleton, Colorado. Whether it was the excitement of being invited along on test drives or parades, or just watching Colemans being loaded onto railroad flatcars along the north face of the Main Plant, Coleman is in my blood, through and through.

Request for Assistance:
  • Do any of you have any original Coleman catalog pages, spec sheets, or manuals that you would be wiling to scan, sell, loan, or donate for this purpose?
(People who know me well also know that I make every effort to properly credit the sources of all materials, unless you specifically ask me not to.)  

I have many of the "AutoLit" images that people have downloaded from the Internet, but they are often very fuzzy and difficult to read when enlarged to full size.

>>> What I am truly needing are good-quality scans (or originals).  Bottom Line: The more I have, the more I can help people with their restoration or research questions.  "Paying it forward," so so speak..

  • If you are willing to help out with some Coleman literature or photos, please "message" me so we can work out the particulars to your complete satisaction. 
Thanks everyone!!  Truly. 

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
DMac (7/29/2015)
Hello,
I'm new to this message forum.  I worked at American Coleman Co. from 1968 to 1970.  E.L. Martin was the owner when I started but he soon sold American Coleman to Kansas City Southern Industries.  The SpaceStar (ELM Truck) was being frequently used to haul axle and FWD assemblies back East and on return trips hauled steel.  As Government Contracts Mgr. one of my jobs was ordering railcars and trucks to haul the MB-4 towing tractors to their various destinations.   DMac


Hey DMac!

Welcome to the Coleman discussion thread. Your employment period and duties at American Coleman sound familiar – did we exchange emails about 6 months ago or so?

Perhaps you knew my late father, Harold V. Trout, who worked at Coleman from 1950 to 1980 (30 years). When you hired on was just about when he was Material Control Manager.

Yes, Coleman was shipping quite a few G-40 (MB-4) tractors in the early 1970's, and smaller orders of G-75 (U-18) tractors to USAF and allied bases around the world. I think they were also still producing a few SnowBlast units, and the PiggyVac had also just come out. The EH-62 sales were never quite as strong as the previous G-55 and D-55 trucks that sold so well to state and county highway departments.

Would enjoy hearing your memories of government contracts and such. I used to love to hang around Low Street down towards the old Columbine Mill and Littleton Lumber Company and watch them load MB-4s onto the D&RGW 50' flatcars. The "Louviers Local" would pick them up late in the morning, carry them down to the Sedalia crossover, then on back into Denver by early afternoon.  Most MB-4s were delieved in yellow, but I remember a few orders in olive drab, also.  

Did you save any photos or catalog sheets? A G-75 or EH-62 manual perhaps?

Again, Welcome!!!

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig

By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
Tutlebrain (7/18/2015)
chtrout, are you aware of any connection / licencing of Coleman's patents abroad? Reason I'm asking is the below - that's a Swiss FBW 5T army truck, you can't avoid noticing the front axle.. Am asking my European contact also. Pic by Keith Paterson.
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Sorry for the slow response, but no, I do not recall any Coleman axle assemblies being either shipped to, or licensed to the Swiss. I do agree that those do look somewhat similar to the later-stye Coleman hub-protectors, like on some axles sold to International Harvester and such.

Perhaps our new member, DMac, will know something on this?

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig

By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
DMac (8/1/2015)
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Yes I knew your father, Harold.  He was a real gentleman and a terrific person.  My step-father C. F. Decker also worked at American Coleman Co. from the early 1950's (about 1952) until around 1972 +-.  He had jobs in purchasing, government contracts, VP Sales and VP Plant Production.
As Government Contracts Manager, I also filled the duty as traffic manager and ordered the trucks and railcars for the MB-4 shipping.  Some of the railcars were 89 ft.  It was a fun day when we loaded and shipped a dozen or so MB-4s.   I remember one day Russ Swank was in my office upset about having to pull so many MB-4s in and out of the plant every day and he was demanding they be shipped.  Of course I had to wait until the required number were ready, but as we were talking the 89 foot railcars arrived and rolled passed the window.  My comment was, "Well, what are you standing her for Russ,  you have MB-4's to load so we can ship them."   I enjoyed working for American Coleman.   I was also the Parts department supervisor for the sales and shipping of all the replacement parts for various Coleman manufactured assemblies. 
I don't recall exchanging email with you 6 months ago?    Very glad to here there are people like you working to preserve Coleman vehicles and American Coleman Company history.  I have a few photos but sorry to say, no manuals.    Have you been able to find out what happened to the ELM Truck  (SpaceStar)?   I recall it was sold to a major truck manufacturer and then it just sat for quite some time over at the PiggyVac factory in Sheridan.  After that I don't know what happened to it. ~ Dennis


Hey Dennis!

WOW!! Great photos!!

In my own memories, it was relatively unusual to see the SpaceStar (ELM) with its pup trailer also attached. I remember it usually running with just the main trailer. Who are the people in the photo, do you know?

And yes, I mentioned 50' flats from the earlier days, but they used the 89' foot TTX "TrailerTrain" flats almost exclusively in later years. Due to their long length, I remember their wheels would really squeal coming down the south leg of the wye. The Rio Grande eventually abandoned the north leg of the wye, because it was an even tighter curve, and could just barely handle 50' boxcars, let alone a couple of 89' flats. Love the loading scene checking tie-downs. Do you know who the men were?  Both Coleman employees, or was one the D&RGW car inspector?

I remember the MB-4 cabs arrived in 50' boxcars, and they would unload and store them stacked up in the outside-frame corrugated metal "warehouse" on the north side of the tracks. Do you know offhand who manufactured the cabs? I have never thought to ask.

YES!! I remember Cliff Decker well! Dad truly thought the world of him!

I chuckled at your comment about Russ Swank... Actually, I never saw him when he -wasn't- fussing about something. But he could sure get the work done. I think he was plant superintenden by then – had been with the company since the 1930's – always treated me very well in his own gruff kind of way. I began hanging around the Plant when I was perhaps 5-6 years old and on through high school, then again when I got home from the Marines in 1972.

No, I don't for "for sure" what happened to the ELM, but I have heard several variations of a story that it eventually sat in a junk yard for some years in North Denver, then disappeared.

Again, Welcome Dennis – we will truly look forward to more of your memories!

Keep Calm and Coleman on!
Craig

By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
DMac (8/1/2015)
Craig,
The people in the photo are C. F. Decker,  Peggy (my mother), and my half-sister, and half-brother.  I took the photo but I don't remember the exact year... some time around 1968 or 1969.  Those were Coleman employees tying down the tractors, but I don't remember the names.   Oh ... pardon my 'oops',  I meant the Englewood Plant (4002 S. Clay Street)  for the last place I saw the ELM Truck.  
I started working at American Coleman Co. in early September 1968, after getting out of the U.S. Air Force.  Owner, E.L. Martin sold the company to Kansas City Southern Industries and they acquired Am.Coleman Co. as a wholly owned subsidiary on December 5, 1968.   Don G. Higgins succeeded E.L. Martin as president.  C.F. Decker became Vice President-Sales.  Bob Case Vice President-Accounting. Here is a picture of the E.L.M truck as it appeared on a post card.  I think the photo was taken by Grissinger, Littleton, CO.http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/ae116f25-8484-4b60-95e3-86cc.jpg   http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/6bafaf4d-c396-47d1-b50f-23b2.jpg
Yes, Swank was an interesting and 'gruff' person but he did get the job done and I always got along with him just fine.  I believe his title after KCSI took over was "Plant Manager".   Under Swank were:  Francis Wier, Tooling, J. A. Patch and L. Wiegel, Machining and W. D. Van Lue, Assembly.   The Chief Engineer was Ray E. Schierenberg and the Project Engineers were:  Tibor Czibok and Everitt Van Engen. Tibor was from Budapest, Hungary. 


Dennis,

Wow! Those names were a stroll down memory lane. Don Higgins and Dad got along great, and his daughter worked at the "Sell-4-Less" Rexall Drug Store down at the corner of Curtis & Main ( I dated her briefly). Don Higgins went back all the way back to the American Road Equipment Company days in Omaha. The "J.A. Patch" you mentioned was probably Jerry Patch, a master machinist dating all the way back to 1922 at the Plains Iron Works / Plains Motors Company at 8th & Larimar Streets. When Jerry retired, I think he was perhaps the longest "continually" serving Coleman employee. "Bud" Celein and sister Helen may have retired by the time you started, but they were also from the very early days. Yes, the ELM photo was taken by John A. Grissinger (Main Street) who was for all intents and purposes the company photographer from the late 1930s well into the 1970s. 

Great memories...
Craig

By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
1951 Coleman Yardmobile trailer spotting vehicle

Jeff Lakaszcyck had posted this to his "What Am I for Monday -- 7/20/2015," and so I copied it here to memorialize it in the Coleman discussion thread, and also get it fully tagged.  (Jeff, I hope that's okay...)
  • By the way Jeff, THANK YOU from all of us for your truly oustanding "What Am I" series -- truly fascinating stuff!!
As I had indicated in my original response, the Coleman Yardmobile was developed at the request of PIE, and long-time Coleman employee Raymond "Bud" Celien did the design work, filing for his patent on 4 Oct 1951, and it being granted 16 Feb 1954.   This would be the begining of a very long series of American Coleman tractor spotting vehicles, and in fact their very last major product line was their "Champion Yard Horse" prior to closing down operations in 1987. 

= = =
Hmm, this is perplexing, someone posted the answer we were looking for early on, but it is gone now. So we will take the last answer, Coleman. While Coleman was the builder of this truck, we also have to give a partial credit to the Ford answers, as some Ford components were used. At least nine of these yard donkeys were built for PIE. Sergey "Trucker" had the right answer. Thanks to John Frances for these photos, and also for providing this info from "Distribution Age" magazine in 1951. 

PACIFIC Intermountain Express Co. is using a new single-seat tractor, called a "yard donkey," to spot and tow semitrailers at freight docks and maintenance facilities.The "donkey" is equipped with a hydraulic fifth wheel controlled by the driver. This permits the yard hostler to back under a semi-trailer and, after the king pin is locked, lift it without cranking up the "landing gear." The landing gear under the semi-trailer is lowered when the road tractor is unhitched to hold the former in a level position. By use of the hydraulic fifth wheel on the "donkey," it is not necessary to raise and lower the landing gear in the yard, as the hydraulic fifth wheel raises the semi trailer high enough for the wheels on the gear to clear the ground as the trailer is moved.From his seat, the hostler can also reach back and connect or disconnect the air lines carrying air to the semi-trailer brakes. A special stand holds the lines at a convenient level to the rear of the seat. The hostler is thus able to back a semi-trailer into the dock or pull it into position for over-the-road service without lost motion. By making the air connection, brakes on the semi-trailers can be tested before hooking on to line-haul power equipment.The short coupling permits mobility that could not be obtained by a standard tractor. This feature is particularly important in the movement of semi-trailers in maintenance and overhaul shops. A 35-ft. semi-trailer can be turned around in its own length or switched easily from one service line to another while undergoing inspection maintenance.The unit measures 13 ft. 2 in. It is fabricated under company specifications by Coleman Motors, Littleton, Colo. Bartlett Trailer Co., Chicago, furnished the hydraulic fifth wheel. Power unit and component parts were supplied by Ford. The company has nine of the units in operation.

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Thanks again, Jeff, and John Frances -- Great Stuff!
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
Trucker (3/9/2015)
chtrout (3/8/2015)
Question on the Coleman G-55 vs. D-55 Trucks
I am hoping for some research assistance if anyone has additional information.
∙   >>> Question: Does anyone out there have any catalog pages or specs for the D-55?  I am fairly familiar with the G-55 but I am lacking authoritative specs on the D-55. I assume a larger engine – I believe the D-55 had a Cummins 290 turbo diesel, at least early in its production run. 
∙    Any assistance would greatly appreciated. Please PM me if you have any D-55 data sheets. 
∙    I would also very warmly welcome any other Coleman catalog sheets you might be willing to scan, loan, sell, or even "donate" to our ongoing Coleman research effort.  We are trying very hard to get this right...


Craig,
Specifications of Coleman G-55 and D-55 trucks contain in the old Automotive Industries and Commercial Car Journal magazines. For example data from 1963 Automotive Industries.

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THANK YOU so much!! Yes, I have completed a page check of all Ward's Automotive Year Books for 1938 through 1975, but coverage of Coleman product go pretty spotty by the late 1950s and into the 1960s.

I had not tried Automotive Industries and Commercial Car Journal, but will now.

Thanks again!
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
rubbishman (3/12/2015)
Craig, sorry for delay but it is the Crismon IH book, I don't have it with me here but there are at least two photos of the units I mentioned.


Great --- Thanks!  I was looking in the wrong Chrismon book.  I will look in the IH book instead. 

Thanks again!
Craig
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
Specs for the Coleman EH-62

Anyone out there have any specs for the Coleman EH-62?  My understanding is that it came out in about 1962 (confirmation pending), but I have not yet found any listings in March 15th annual statistical editions for Automotive Industries for the years after 1962. 

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(photo from Don Chew Collection)

I know that one EH-62 survives with a heavy wrecker body in Silverthorne, Colorado.  Does anyone know the owner's names or have his contact information?

As always, Thanks!


By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
I will be at the ATHS convention in York, PA wearing a bright orange trucker's cap with a round Coleman logo, if anybody wants to talk Colemans!   
  • Anybody got a November 1968 Overdrive Magazine they would be willing to sell?  I am having trouble finding a copy.
  • Current want list... I am having trouble finding American Coleman company materials on D-55s and EH-62s 

I am always very eager to buy (or borrow) Coleman catalog pages or manuals that I don't already have.  The more I build my reference library, the more I can help folks with their Coleman restorations and related questions.

It also helps with my research in support of Don Chew's pending book on Coleman history.   
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
ColoradoGreen (6/16/2015)
chtrout (10/30/2013)
American Coleman  "CF-55-AF" Double-Cab Towing Tractors for the B-36
 

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These trucks were just plain big! As a small boy, it was a real scramble when I was invited up into the cab.

(All
images above are from my personal collection -- please credit as appropriate.)



For those interested in a restoration, I figured I'd let all of you know that a friend of mine in northern CO has a ranch with three of the CF-55-AF double-cab tugs sitting on the property. They're in various states of repair, one is only a cab shell, the other two are still sitting on their chassis. I didn't have time to get up and take a close look at them the day I was there, so, I can't speak to condition of running gear or anything like that. But, certainly one good example could be built, if not two, with what is sitting on his ranch. I'm also reasonably certain he'd sell, as the oddball vintage stuff isn't his gig. They just happen to be there. They all still wear the distinctive yellow paint.



I don't know the details, but I believe these are the CF-55-AF survivors ColoradoGreen is referring to.  The two still mounted on their chassis are from the final 1951 contract using GMC cabs, and the cab sitting on the ground is from the original 1949 contract using Ford cabs, or at least Ford doors. 

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Source:  Ken Kafka (I don't know if he took these himself, or if someone forwarded to them.)
  • Ironically, although there were relatively few "Federal F-55-AF's" made (same general specs, but with MH front end), at least two Federals survive, one in the air museum in Pima, AZ, and one in the air museum in Pueblo, CO.
  • I don't know of any Coleman CF-55-AFs in a museum, but suspect there surely may be several.  Anybody know for sure?
Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
Oldest "Coleman" (nee Holmes) Survivor?

If my research is correct, Holmes Truck serial #9, completed in about August of 1921 at the Holmes Truck plant on South Nevada Street in Littleton Colorado, still survives at Don Robertson's Gold King Mine museum in Jerome, Arizona, which is about midway between Flagstaff and Prescott.
  • To clarify just a bit, brothers Al and George Coleman bought out Harleigh Holmes in May of 1924, re-branding the truck-building operation as "Coleman Motors" at that time. They had formed "Coleman Motors" in 1922 as a holding company with the intent of buying Holmes out, and that is why some Coleman letterheads say "since 1922," even though they did not actually start building trucks under the Coleman name until May of 1924. For those of you who really "know" your Coleman history, yes, "The Plains Motors Company" was in the mix too from the summer 1922 until the spring of 1923, but that's a different story for another time.
Anyway, back to Coleman (nee Holmes) Serial #9...
  • Once first built, it is not clear if she was sold, and then returned home, or simply remained on the Holmes/Coleman property as a "shop truck." 
  • Regardless, in 1925, the hose boys at Littleton Volunteer Fire Department realized their truck #2, a used-1923 White truck then jury-rigged as a fire truck, just wasn't up to the job, so asked Harleigh Holmes and Coleman Motors to build them a replacement truck, to become the new replacement LVFD Truck #2. Coleman donated much of the labor, and to hold costs down, it is believed they took an existing chassis, Holmes Serial #9, and retrofitted it as a firetruck, with pumps, equipment, water and hose storage as appropriate, while retaining it's original open, railed cab, and perhaps even it's original Hinkley HA-400 4-cylinder engine, or perhaps a Buda 4-cylinder replacement and a Rome-Turney vertical-ribbed radiator. 
  • By August of 1928, it was concluded that the "new" Coleman truck was under-powered and had trouble struggling up Court House Hill on Littleton Boulevard when fully loaded down with water, hoses and numerous dangling firemen, so the hose boys once again approached Coleman and asked for a larger 6-cylander Buda engine. This was soon done, but in order to accommodate the longer engine, the frame had to be extended. So, about 18" of the chassis from old Holmes Serial #1 was cut off and welded onto Serial #9. For this reason, it is believed the chassis now has both Serial #1, and then Serial #9, stamped into the driver-side frame rail. 
  • Lettered as LVFD Truck #2, it served for many years until finally retired, but then pulled back into service and retrofitted as a water truck and utility crane. During this period, it briefly had a closed-cab from the late 1940's simply fitted over the top of the original open cab.  Having lived out it's useful life, Don Chew then had it briefly, and it eventually found its way down to Don Robertson's Truck Collection at the Gold King Mine near Jerome, Arizona.  
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1921 Holmes Serial #9 (?), Gold King Mine museum near Jerome, AZ.  Note the replacement
Perfex radiator added when the frame was extend 18" in 1928.  
Source: AZphotos, all rights reserved.


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Coleman (nee Holmes) Serial #9 while in service as Truck #2, Littleton Volunteer Fire Department.  
Source:  Don Chew Collection. 


Does anyone out there have an interest in visiting the Gold Hill Museum?  From the photos, it has a fairly large, undocumented collection of old trucks in various states of repair and disrepair. Due to the dry climate, many are well preserved and not too rusted out.

Request for Assistance:  If someone does go, could you please take a very close look at the Coleman chassis shown above?  
  • If my research is correct, it will have both a Serial #1 and a Serial #9, perhaps repeated several times, all the way forward on the driver's-side frame rail.   If this is true, it will confirm my research in tracking this worthy old girl down! 
There are sketchy rumors of Holmes Serial #11, also an open, railed cab, in fairly complete condition somewhere near Yosemite, California.  Anyone familiar with that one?

From what I can tell, Kenny Plandel's Holmes/Coleman Serial #18 is actually the third oldest Coleman survivor, although it was long thought to be the oldest.  

Thanks in advance for any assistance!

Keep Calm and Coleman On!
Craig
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
Brocky (3/4/2015)
Craig

Again a big THANK YOU for the very interesting follow up information on the model 10 refueler..

Also in the March/April issue of Antique Power magazine (Available at Tractor Supply) the advertisment for Auman Auctions online sale ending 3/29/15 shows 3 Oliver and 1 Cockshutt farm tractors with Coleman front wheel drives, like we have talked of before.. The Cockshutt says it is #2 of 3 made.  Were these applications more popular than we might have thought???


Hi Brocky,  THANKS for the heads up on the current issue of Antique Power - I will have to get one.  Actually, I should subscribe!  As for the Oliver and Cockshutt tractors with Coleman front axles, I did not know about that, but at one point, American Coleman was shipping about 14 truck loads of axles a week, mainly to International Harvestor, but I am sure a number of other farm tractor brands offered the 4x4 option -- it is such an obvious advantage in the fields.
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
Brocky (3/4/2015)
Craig

The ad says 1955 on one of the Olivers.. No date on the rest.. I do not know the exact date which Oliver, Minniaplis Moline, and Cockshutt all came under the White Motor umbrella?? Autocar was 53 and REO and DT were 58 & 59 respectfully..


I know for sure that Colemn did some conversions on White trucks and perhaps sold them some axles also -- perhaps they trickled down to the farm tractor lines?
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
"American Coleman Roadrunner"

Okay, guys, I kinda thought I knew my Colemans, but this one has me stumped.

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It is very obviously based on a G-40 (MB-4) after it was significantly restyled in about 1976 when the G-40-G variant was introduced.

•    The only major differences between this "Roadrunner" and a "stock" G-40 is that headlights have been added to the leading slopes of the fenders, plus turn signals, clearance markers and such; a bug screen has been added over the grill; and windshield wipers. There is also an air foil added to the top of the cab, but I suspect it came later.

•    The basic structural elements of the cab, windshield, hood, fenders and heavy (ballasted) bumper look identical to a G-40-G and later variants.

•    The photo was supposedly taken in Bochelt, Belgium in 2012. That's a Belgium license plate on the bumper.

>>> Question:  Has anyone out there ever heard of an "American Coleman Roadrunner"?

∙    An alternate explanation may be that someone simply customized a surplus G-40 and set it up for "over the road" use. The reason I say this is the name plate looks very crowded and perhaps even homemade. Any thoughts or ideas out there?
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
rubbishman (3/5/2015)
Chrismon pictures 2 Coleman equipped CO-range chassis, one a USAF generator platform. The  windshield looks about 12' above ground line. I wonder how effective COE designs were in these applications.


Do you have some page numbers on those two models?  On a quick look, I did not find the photos you are referring to.  We're talking Chrismon's "US Military Wheeled Vehicles," right? 
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
Question on the Coleman G-55 vs. D-55 Trucks

I am hoping for some research assistance if anyone has additional information.

∙    The G-55 Coleman Truck was introduced in 1938 and became the anchor truck line for Coleman Motors well in to the late 1950s, if not later. It went through numerous variants, to include changes in radiators, engines, drive trains, cabs, and general stying. Significant variants included the half-cab G-55A which was introduced sometime before November of 1940 as a "carrier" for Quick-Way cranes both before and then during WW-II.

∙    The D-55 Coleman Truck was introduced in 1954, and production of the G-55 and D-55 overlapped by at least a few years. I have not yet determined when the G-55 went out of production. Regardless, as with it's predecessor, the D-55 went through multiple variants until replaced in 1962 the very modern-looking EH-62.  Among the significant variants of the D-55 was the RE-55 which served as a "carrier" for the SnowBlast rotary snow plow line (multiple models.)

>>> Question: Does anyone out there have any catalog pages or specs for the D-55?  I am fairly familiar with the G-55 but I am lacking authoritative specs on the D-55. I assume a larger engine – I believe the D-55 had a Cummins 290 turbo diesel, at least early in its production run. 

∙    Any assistance would greatly appreciated. Please PM me if you have any D-55 data sheets.

∙    I would also very warmly welcome any other Coleman catalog sheets you might be willing to scan, loan, sell, or even "donate" to our ongoing Coleman research effort.  We are trying very hard to get this right...

As always, Thanks!
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
The Coleman EH-62 – Who Made Those Distinctive Cabs?

While I know who the manufacturers were for most of the Coleman cabs after 1940 when they stopped fabricating their own -– 1940-1941 Highland Body Company; 1942-1947(+8) Ford; 1949-c.1952 GMC; 1952-on International Harvester, and such, but I have never been able to nail down who made those very distinctive cabs that American Coleman used on the EH-62, their final big truck line before ceasing operations.  

The EH-62 was introduced in 1962 and replaced the previous D-55 line which had come out in 1954 as the successor to the G-55 line (with several years of overlap).

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        (Source:  Don Chew Collection)

>>>Question: Does anyone know who made these cabs? They almost have a Oshkosh or FWD look to them in some ways.

As always, Thanks for any help!
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
Hambone (1/6/2015)
Craig,

Were/are you acquainted with the Schierenberg family?

Mr. Schierenberg (don't recall his first name) was one of the engineers on the Space Star. He has passed but his family was still in Colorado a few years ago.I spoke with his son about the Space Star about six years ago, don't recall his first name either.
Another person with Coleman knowledge is Randy Ledermann. You can find his email through Hanks Truck Pictures, I think he is in Kansas.




Hambone,

Thanks!  Those are great suggestions...  I will try to track them down!
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
ppsyclone (1/6/2015)
Craig,

Do you have any pictures and information on the Bull of the Woods snow blower?
Do you know where the Space Star, I last saw it north of Denver on US 85/Vasquez more than 20 years ago?

Thank,

Brian



Hi Brian,

In answer to your questions:


"Bull of the Woods" - Colorado State Highway Dept. Rotary No. 1


The story of the "Bull of the Woods" actually unfolded in several distinct phases.

In late 1927, Major Louis D. Blauvelt, Highway Engineer for the State Highway Department (SHD) of Colorado, designed and had a rotary snow plow built in the SHD shops in Denver.   It was reportedly the first of its kind for road work.  The railroad-style rotary quickly proved successful in concept, but SHD was unable to find a heavy truck or Caterpillar tractor that could not only push the rotary snow plow through deep snow, but also keep properly aligned with the road.

Perhaps influenced by a demonstration he witnessed 28 Feb 1928 on Main Street in Littleton, Colorado in which a 5-ton Coleman truck challenged a 10-ton Holt crawler tractor to a tug-of-war (and repeatedly won!), Maj. Blauvelt next mounted his experimental SHD rotary on a 5-ton Coleman truck the following month (March 1928) and immediately achieved the success he had been looking for. By early April, the new SHD rotary/Coleman truck configuration had opened Berthoud Pass for the season, the earliest this high mountain pass had ever been opened.  Now, for the first time in Colorado history, the mountain passes would not have to be closed each year with the first heavy snow, and could now be kept open year round.   The Blauvelt/Coleman combination was truly a "game-changer" in Colorado mountain pass history and heavy snow removal operations in general. .

However, the "mechanical marriage" of the rotary and Coleman truck was a somewhat unlikely looking affair.  The rotary was mounted on the back of the truck with the rotary wheel facing toward the rear.  The Coleman truck would drive normally to the work site, then turn around and clear the road by backing into the snow.  The rotary had its own separate engine and operator, and the operator's cabin even included a couple of bunk beds and a kerosene stove.


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Colo. S.H.D. No. 1, the "Bull of the Woods" from a Coleman print ad of the times.  Source: Craig H. Trout Collection. 

The design was continually tested and improved upon, with multiple nearly identical units soon being ordered. Ultimately, Harleigh Holmes applied for a patent for a Coleman-truck-mounted rotary snowplow.  The application is dated 11 Apr 1931 and was granted 15 Mar 1932 as US Patent "US 1894296 A."  The patent drawings look almost identical to Major Blauvelt's original 1927 design as later mounted on a Coleman truck in 1928, but of course with mechanical improvements.  Apparently with Blauvelt's full blessing, Holmes further developed the design concept and brought it to market.  Multiple units were built for the Colorado State Highway Department, and even one for a mining operation near Lake City that needed to keep its access roads open year round.  California also purchased multiple units, as did several other western states.

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Harleigh Holmes's patent for the SHD-designed rotary mounted on a 5-ton Coleman truck.  It very closely follows the original Blauvelt design, but for some reason, portrays an open-vestibule cab, rather than an all-weather cab as was always delivered.  Source: U.S. Patent Office, Craig H. Trout Collection. 

While the original prototype (Colo. S.H.D. No. 1) was nicknamed "The Bull of the Woods," I have also seen some of the other numbers in the series called by the same nickname.  Perhaps the nickname was sometimes used interchangeably for any of the big SHD rotaries being used at the time.

On a side note, Maj. Louis D. Blauvelt (1867-1930) was kind of an interesting guy. He started his career with the Colorado Midland Railroad, then was chief engineer of a dam & irrigation concern in New Mexico, and was next with the Chicago & Northwestern.   He next became Chief Engineer for the Denver, Northwestern & Pacific ("Moffat Road"), and then after a very distinguished stint in the Army during WW-I, was named Chief Engineer of the Colorado Railroad Commission, and as such was the designer and construction engineer for the Moffat Tunnel.   In 1921, he was named Highway Engineer for the Colorado State Highway Department, where he served until his death in 1930.  If newspaper accounts of the time are accurate, Blauvelt was truly "the father" of the truck-mounted railroad-style rotary snowplow, and Harleigh Holmes/Coleman Motors owed much to the ground-breaking design work of Major Louis D. Blauvelt in this regard.


Fate of the Coleman SpaceStar (aka "ELM")


As for the SpaceStar, as you probably know, only one unit was ever built, and although the publicity photos always show it with a second "pup" trailer, I never actually saw the pup trailer attached to the unit when it would be parked on Curtis Street outside the West Plant in between runs to pick up castings or deliver axle conversion units. The unit had been designed and patented in 1966 by then American Coleman president Emmett L. "Ted" Martin, hence the SpaceStar being nicknamed the "ELM" in his honor. The SpaceStar continued to make "company" runs well into the 1970s, but I do not remember seeing it after then.  I have also heard that it ended up on a back lot at/near US 85 & Vazquez, but that it was cut up and scrapped some 20 years ago. I have never been able to confirm this.

By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
bill murray (1/8/2015)
Craig:

Do you have this item which I believe is an export catalog that is buried somewhere in my files.  I copied some of the photos so let me know
if I should look for it.  If you need it and if I can find it, it's yours for the taking.

Edit:  I don't post many photos here so they did not turn out inline.  One is a Ford, one an Inter and I suspect from early 1950s.
There are 4 other photos.

Bill

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  • I have been wanting to get a good copy of the very briefly used "globe" logo for a very long time. 
  • The upper photo appears to be a 1948-1950 "Ford F-5" 1 ½ ton Coleman conversion (Budd wheels in front). It appears to be equipped with at St. Paul snow plow bracket in front and St. Paul underbody blade bracket below, as well as a St. Paul hydraulic side and rear dump body. 
  • The lower photo is an International, also with a Coleman conversion in front (with Budd wheels). I think it is a KB-8 (perhaps 1947-1949), but I am not at all sure. Note the snow plow mounting frame in front and the underbody grader blade.  
  • Although they cannot be seen clearly, since the trucks in both photos are mounted with Budd wheels, they may include Coleman-stamped protective caps over the axle sleeve openings  
>>> Question:  Can anybody out there help me with the correct IH model and year?

Thank you again for posting this and your offer to share!!

By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
Bill Murray, 

I tried to email you and it bounced.  Could you please email me (click on my name and use the email feature under "contact") so that I have your correct email address?  I am eager to make contact with you!

Thanks again!
Craig 
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
American Coleman G-40 (MB-4) Towing a B-17 "Flying Fortress" to a USAF Museum

Interesting photo of Boeing B-17G "Flying Fortress" serial #44-83624 "Sleepy Time Gal" being towed across the Mad River Bridge on 17 Jun 1957 by a circa-1956 American Coleman G-40 (MB-4) towing tractor for delivery to the Wright-Patterson Air Force Museum in Dayton, Ohio. The historic B-17 was later disassembled and transferred to the Air Mobility Command Museum at Dover AFB, Delaware where it was delivered on 16 Jun 1989. The "Sleepy Time Gal" is now fully restored and on display at Dover AFB.  The "triangle-L" group marking on the tail indicates assignment to the 581st Bombing Group (Heavy), 8th Air Force.  Serial #44-83624 appears immediately below the "triangle-L" group marking.  Not visible in this photo, the B-17 had pin-up-style "nose art" consistent with the "Sleepy Time Gal" nickname theme. 
  •   I know this is a "truck" site, but sometimes it is interesting to know the context and setting for interesting truck photos. 
The American Coleman model G-40 was designated by the USAF as an "MB-4" class towing tractor and was developed in 1954 for all-weather towing of aircraft weighing up to 140,000 lbs. The cab was designed so that the top half and doors could be removed for service in hot weather conditions.  By 1961, a total of 1,197 units had been delivered, and production continued well into the mid-1970s, if not later. At least (8) variants 
of the basic G-40 design model were developed. 

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Anyway, a truly great photo of an American Coleman MB-4 doing the "visually unexpected."

(thanks to Kenneth Biggs who told me where to find the photo, not yet sure who to credit the original photo to.  I suspect it is an official USAF photograph)
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
Trucker (3/3/2015)
1929 Coleman 6x6
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Coleman "Model-10" 5-ton "Heavy Duty Refueling Unit" -- US Army Air Corps "Type-A" Refueler Truck


I was excited to see your posting of a Coleman "Model-10" 5-ton "Heavy Duty Refueling Unit" which was designated by the US Army Air Corps (USAAC) as a "Type-A" refueler truck.

>>> Question – Was this image part of an article or advertisement, or was it just an inserted image along with other recent truck developments?

•    Based on the date of the above Motor Transport article, 24 Jun 1929, I assume this was USAAC U.S. Registration Number #80757 which had been delivered to Selfridge Field, Mount Clemens, Michigan on 4 Sep 1928. 

•    If this is correct, the this was the first Coleman "Model-10" 6x6 refueler delivered to the US Army Air Corps, and was the biggest truck of any kind ever owned by the USAAC up to that date. 

By May of 1929, the USAAC was so impressed with the rugged performance and increased capacity of the Coleman "Model-10" 6x6 refueler, they had just placed an order for four more units. At least one of the units was assigned to Wright Field in Dayton, Ohio, but was instead re-configured as an aircraft salvage truck, and at least one "Model-10" refueler was assigned to Langley Field, Virginia. Another unit was ultimately assigned to Henry Post Army Airfield at Ft. Sill, Oklahoma, but I am not sure if it actually "started" there.  

∙    The Coleman Model-10 "Type-A" refueler consisted of a Coleman "Model-10" 5-ton chassis outfitted with a 1,200 gal. tank for aviation gasoline, and two 100 gal. tanks for water and oil. A unique feature of the truck was the tandem single wheels in the rear, as preferred by the USAAC. 

∙    The Coleman Model-10 was a huge leap forward for the USAAC, since it replaced previous refuelers that only had a very meager capacity of 350 gallons each. The new Model-10 was assigned to a Keystone "B-5 Panther" biplane bomber squadron of 9 planes, each with a fuel capacity of 300 gals. These B-5 biplane bombers were among our "first line bombers" through about 1934. 

As background, the USAAC had previously ordered a Coleman 5-ton 4x4 refueler (perhaps a Model-4), and although also designated as a "Type-A," it 
had only one set of duals in back, as opposed to the Model-10 which had two tandem single wheels in back, which the USAAC found to perform better on its air fields. 

∙    This previous 4x4 "Type-A" refueler, as well as a 4x4 C-25 "Type-B" refueler and a 4x4 C-25 "Type-C" refueler were all initially assigned to Wright Field in Dayton, Ohio. The "Type-B" and "Type-C" trucks, due to their relatively small fuel tanks, were found to be impractical, and soon re-configured as "Photo Trucks," which I assume were mobile dark rooms for servicing aerial photographic missions of the observation squadrons. 

= = =
Questions:

1.    Does anyone out there have an authoritative source on late-1920s US Army Air Corps specifications for what made a refueler a "Type-A, B, or C"?   I assume it was tank capacity, but have not found a table indicating details. 

2.    In addition to the 3-ton C-25 "Type-B" and "Type-C" refueler trucks converted to Photo Trucks, the US Army Air Corps also operated a small fleet of Coleman 3-ton C-25s configured as "windlass trucks" (also known as "Blimp Tenders") for reeling in and out the tether lines for observation balloons/blimps, and a few C-25s were also configured as airfield beacon trucks. Other than Fred W. Chrismon, U.S. Military Wheeled Vehicles (Minneapolis, MN, 2001), pg. 279, has anyone seen any other sources on these windlass trucks and beacon trucks?  The USAAC also operated a small number of C-25s configured as common light cargo/utility trucks for use around the airfields, but these were pretty much "off the shelf" configurations with no major modifications that I am aware of.  
  • As a side note, while Fred Chrismon's writeups are generally outstanding, in some cases his specs and dates are just a bit off. For instance on the Colman Model-10 (page 348), it was actually a 5-ton truck and it was only a 1,200 gal capacity tank (per Coleman company materials and USAAC records) 
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Coleman Trucks and Howe-Coleman Conversions

Does anyone have a copy of the Sept-Oct 1988 edition of Double Clutch magazine? I am hoping someone will be kind enough to scan the article on Coleman Trucks and Howe-Coleman conversions. (Not sure of the exact title of the article). Already checked eBay and did not see that edition up for sale/bid.

Thanks in advance for any assistance!

Craig
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Coleman Chain Drive Transfer Cases

Hey Scott, I found your posting about your G706 Minneapolis Moline tractor with a chain drive transfer case to be very interesting! You did not say directly, but I assume it is a Coleman transfer case?

I had been aware of Coleman getting a patent on a “Chain Drive Transfer Case” (patent application 17 Jun 1968, granted 14 Apr 1970, US Patent # US3505904 A”), but I had not yet figured out what applications it had been used for. I am now wondering if International Harvester also used the same transfer cases on their tractor models with Coleman 4x4 conversions.
  • Here are the mechanical drawings submitted with the Coleman patent application, in case they are useful in working on your transfer case. Does it seem to be one and the same?
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Hope this was helpful!
Craig
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Hey Scott,

I forgot to ask... Did your G706 Minneapolis Moline tractor have Coleman heavy dome hub protectors on the front axle? If so, do you have a photo of the tractor? It might be very interesting us “hard core Coleman nuts.”

Thanks!
By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
FAMECE (Family of Military Engineer Construction Equipment)

As background, the US Army Engineers developed the FAMECE (Family of Military Engineer Construction Equipment) program to establish a very standardized set of construction vehicles that would utilize a common prime mover (Universal Engineer Tractor – "UET") that could act interchangeably as a loader, dozer, pull a scraper (earth mover), and similar military construction functions. The equipment was required to be very transportable, to include air-drop capability.

Perhaps as many as 5-6 companies entered the competition, submitting various "UET" prototypes for evaluation, to include the American Coleman Corporation of Littleton, Colorado.
  • American Coleman "UET" prototype submissions included the D44PM (essentially a towing tractor, but sometimes also mounted with a small dozer blade) and the much larger DPM743 (mounted with a large dozer blade), as well as the D44BV (a very compact, but rugged towing variant).  For additional reading, see Don Chew's article in the March/April 2001 edition of Antique Power, pp 26-30. 
  • Ultimately, the Clark Equipment Company (CEC) emerged from the Validation Phase of the competition in about 1969 as the successful contractor for the Full Scale Development (FSD) Phase, and the other competitors, to include American Coleman, then tried with very limited success to instead offer their designs on the general commercial construction and agricultural markets. 
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American Coleman's D44PM ("prime mover") Universal Engineering Tractor (UET) entry pulling a standardized scraper during the Validation Phase competition.  Source: Craig H. Trout collection. 

Question: Does anyone have any detailed information on the early phases of the FAMECE program? 
  • My current research suggests that the FAMECE program was developed as the result of a 1965 policy directive in which the US Army sought to reduce the size and weight of equipment, to include military construction vehicles, and it appears that the competition phase concluded by about 1969, and then full-scale development continued well into the 1970s. 
  • However, these dates are in apparent conflict with newspaper accounts of American Coleman developing air-drop-capable tractors for the US Army Engineers as early as 1954 that seemed to be very similar to FAMECE specifications, and since my father worked at American Coleman, I have personal memories of various military engineering tractors and earth movers painted in olive drab being tested throughout the mid-to-late 1950s, and perhaps into the early 1960s.
  • ∙Was the FAMECE program actually developed in two (or more) distinct phases? Was there a mid-to-late 1950s competition, followed by a totally re-designed competition in the late 1960s? 
Any information or ideas regarding resources would be greatly appreciated.   I am conducting this research in support of Don Chew’s pending book on the history of Holmes / Plains / Coleman / American Coleman trucks.

As always, Thanks!

By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
Hambone (1/5/2015)
Craig,

Do you have a time frame for when the book will be available?

Mr. Green, are those recent pics?


Hambone, 

Don Chew had hoped to have his Coleman book out last fall, but due to some family issues, and also some much-needed reformatting, it now looks like it might be sometime this summer.  I just keep feeding him research until he suggests a cut-off date.  Anything not used in the book may become material for spin-off articles or pamphlets that Don and I are already planning for.  At this point, the book is evolving into more of a "coffee table" style book, while our planned follow-up articles and pamphlets will be much more detailed and in-depth coverage on selected topics, such as the Coleman racing cars, Air Force towing tractors, Coleman vs. Snow, and similar ideas. 

I will be sure to provide full pre-ordering information here when we get close to a publishing date for the main book, which will serve as the "anchor" for the series.

Thanks for asking!

Craig

By chtrout - 3 Years Ago
ColoradoGreen,

Although the cab is different (GMC "deluxe" 7-window cab), Coleman produced several beefed up G-55 semi-tractors and such in February 1953 for the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC) for use in their atomic bomb testing preparations on Eniwetok Atoll in the Marshall Islands.
  • Although they used standard heavy-duty Coleman "power yokes," those appear to be Budd 10-hole wheels in front, which eliminated the need for the iconic Coleman heavy dome hub protectors on this particular model.  (please correct me if I am wrong) 

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Original Coleman Company photo from my personal collection, please credit me as appropriate)

As for your photo of the boom truck (which is somewhat similar with the exception of the cab and hood louvers), I would be interested in any additional details you might uncover. Where exactly is the unit located?  "Little Joe" was also the nickname given by some to the (617) simply huge Coleman double-cab AC-55-AFs produced in three separate contracts (49, 73 and 495 units) during the years 1949-1951, the busiest single period in Coleman history, when the work force swelled to an all-time high of 460.  Labor difficulties had preceded the 1949 contract and again resumed in 1952-1953.
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Hey "Trucker,"

Thank you so much for posting those Coleman production numbers from Ward's Automotive Yearbook 1951 and 1953.

By coincidence, I am going to the Department of Transportation Reference Library in Washington, DC tomorrow morning. My research indicates they have Ward's on the shelf from 1938 through the present. Some editions even have short write-ups on Coleman. Looking forward to it!

Craig
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
International Harvester "Farmall" / Coleman 4x4 Conversions

Much as been written about Coleman 4x4 conversions for light and heavy commercial trucks, either installed as "in-factory" conversions by Coleman, or installed under licence by either Howe-Coleman or Marmon-Herrington.
  • IH Farmall 806 – 1963          
  • IH Farmall 1206 – 1966
  • IH Farmall 1256 – 1967
  • IH Farmall 1456 -1969

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Source: Two "Mecum Auctions" (Lot S79) photos of a very nicely restored "IH Farmall 1206 Front Wheel Assist" with front Coleman 4x4 hubs. 

I believe I have also seen at least one Massey Ferguson 97 with Coleman 4x4 hubs (may have been a field-install).

I know this is primarily a truck forum, but can anyone else add to the discussion of Coleman 4x4 conversions to commercial farm tractors or earth moving equipment?
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Hey Brocky,

Wow!  Sure looks like it!!  Hub protector and axle seem to be identical to the IH Farmall conversions.  Thanks for posting!

Craig
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
re: Coleman Bus at the Belmar Museum in Lakewood, Colorado

Hey Hambone!

Thanks for the follow-up message. You caught me by surprise that the very early bus at the Lakewood museum actually is a Coleman Bus. If there are any Coleman "recognition features," I had obviously missed them.

Are you in the Denver area, will you have a chance to go see the bus at some point? Any more information on this important find would be very interesting to Coleman researchers everywhere! There is some chance this is the only "surviving" Coleman Bus if you can validate the museum's understanding of what it is. I have heard rumors of other Coleman Bus survivors, but so far, none of the rumors "proved up" as far as I know.

Yes, that is exactly right, a Coleman Automobile is somewhere in the Denver area and is currently undergoing full restoration. I have not seen it myself, but I think it is perhaps the 1933 "White Car" model. Don Chew has seen it and was very impressed with the work so far. The owner is very "private" about his efforts, but we are very hopeful he will showcase it at some point in the future.

Thanks again for the Coleman bus information!
Craig
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Just noticed a very rare 1948 Ford COE Boom Truck with a Coleman 4x4 Conversion for sale on eBay.

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  • This is an interesting truck on several levels, not only for rare Ford truck collectors, but also for Coleman 4x4 conversion collectors. 
  • I am not involved in this sale in any way, I just like to see Colemans and Coleman 4x4 conversions preserved and/or restored whenever possible. 
  • At last look, the bid was $1000, but I assume it will creep up a bit as people see it. The bidding closes in about 6 days. 
To see the full details:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/201231271652?forcerRptr=true&item=201231271652&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME:SS:SS:US:3160

By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
I am hoping to find someone who has a copy of the March-April 2011 issue of Double Clutch magazine who might be willing to copy the 5-page article regarding the 1941 Coleman.

I will of course pay all copy and shipping costs. Please email me if you have a copy and would be willing to share.

UPDATE:  
  • Special thanks to Jeff Lakaszcyck who was kind enough to send me a scanned copy of the requested article.  THANKS Jeff!
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Hey Wolfcreek Steve,

I suspect you are right, the last number in the mileage should perhaps be a 1/10.  Accordingly, 3,862 miles makes much more sense.  Still a lot of miles for a tug, but then it is a 1977 - or that is to say, 37 years old. 

I was skeptical about the year (seemed a bit early), so I asked for a photo of the builder's plate, and then posted it below with the photo.  Sure enough, April of 1977.

I also learned from the builder's plate that this is a G-40-G, or that is to say the "G" variant.  The previous "F" variant was the last on the original body style that dated all the way back to the prototype in 1954 ("A" variant).  I believe the G-40 went through at least an "H" variant, but I do not yet know if more versions followed. 

Craig


By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Re:  1977 American Coleman G-40-G (MB-4) "tug" up for sale.

I see they just dropped the asking price to $1,800.00.  Perhaps a bit more realistic... 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/161433126012

I have no personal role in this sale, I just like to see old Colemans preserved/restored whenever possible.  Wish I was in a position to do it myself.
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Coleman Front Drive (4x4) Axles and Differentials – General Information
  • For most of its history, Coleman did large numbers of in-house 4x4 conversions, primarily for Ford, Chevy, and GMC trucks, but also a variety of other truck manufacturers. 
  • Howe-Coleman would also install 4x4 conversions on virtually any truck brand on the market, but numerous International Harvesters have been seen. 
  • Marmon-Herrington called their version the "MC-9" (Marmon-Coleman-9) and installed these 4x4 conversions mainly on GMCs from 1964-1984.
In the various diagrams and images below, note the very distinctive "power yoke" straddling the hub, very much like inventor Harleigh Holmes had first patented it in 1916.  Since the power yoke rotated with the wheel, they were ordinarily covered with a heavy dome hub-protector.
  
Here are some selected images and diagrams for the benefit of all who might be interested:

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Hope these images help those interested in exactly what a Coleman 4x4 axle should look like, either assembled or disassembled. 


By chtrout - 4 Years Ago

Coleman Front-Drive (4x4) Axles and Differentials – Specific to the Coleman G-40 (USAF designation MB-4)


The G-40 axles were essentially the same as other 4x4 axles installed on Coleman trucks and tractors, as well as in 4x4 conversions.

Though the body and engine was beefed up from the G-40, these diagrams would also generally apply to the Coleman G-75 (USAF designation AS-32U-18, or "U-18" for short)

Selected pages from Coleman manuals:

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The top (4) images are for G-40s (variants "A" through "D" from 1968 and the bottom image is from 1970.

Hope these are useful for any G-40 (MB-4) owners out there.


By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Recognizing a Coleman Front-Drive (4x4) Hub

Generally speaking (not always), Coleman 4x4 axle hubs are usually covered by a heavy-dome hub protector.  (The only notable exception occurred in later years when Budd wheels were used a a few models)  

In the early years, most heavy-dome hub protectors were not marked, but in later years, may have had "Coleman" across the center, or more often, circling the outer edge. Coleman-conversion license holders, such as Howe-Coleman, often had their unique imprint on the hub protector.

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                  (this is Don Chew holding a flat variation of the Coleman hub protectors in his collection)

Once the heavy-dome hub protector is removed, the characteristic Coleman "power-yoke" is revealed, which delivers the power through the axle sleeve to the actual rim of the wheel.

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In some cases, there is also a Coleman-stamped inner protective plate over the axle sleeve opening.  This also may have been the case on those few models when Budd wheels were used.  

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>>> I truly apologize for not knowing who to credit these images to -- they were "floaters" on the Internet (with the exception of my own photo of Don Chew holding his flat "cake-pan-style" Coleman hub protector).

Hope this is helpful.
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Recognizing Coleman Buses...

Hambone,

With regard to the photo taken in about 1999 by Frank Barrett at the Belmar Museum in Lakewood, Colorado of a rather forlorn-looking circa 1920s-1930s bus, I am not truly sure whether it is in fact a Coleman Bus, but I tend to think it is not, for a variety of reasons.

>>>Update:  Don Chew has detailed photos of this bus and it definitely is a Coleman -- based on the patented bathtub-style frame.  

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(Source: photo of unknown bus model taken in about 1999 by Frank Barrett at the Belmar Museum in Lakewood, Colorado)

For those not familiar with a Coleman bus, what made it truly distinctive was that Coleman held the patent for a vehicle having the frame outside of the wheels for either a bus or passenger car. While the front hub is ordinarily the primary recognition feature for a Coleman product (assuming no nameplate is present), in the case of Coleman passenger buses, it is the outside frame, sometimes referred to as a "bathtub" frame.

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(Source:  Don Chew collection)
  • Close examination of the Lakewood vehicle does not suggest such an outside frame, and additionally, neither the bus body, window configurations, or front hub resemble any known photographs of a confirmed Coleman bus.
  • However, the bus does generally resemble several other-brand buses known to be operated by the Denver Cab Company and/or Colorado Motorway, who also did purchase a number of Coleman buses.
  • For this reason, the bus body may have also been fabricated by the Scott Auto Body Company of Denver (Eighteenth and Washington Streets), who also fabricated all known Coleman bus bodies, with the exception at least one prototype designed and fabricated by Harleigh Holmes at the Coleman plant.
As general background, the first known reference to Coleman producing a passenger bus occurred in August 1925 with a simple passing mention of "the new $25,000 bus," no further information provided. By September 1929, Harleigh Holmes was known to be working on a double-deck motor bus, and already had one on the road for testing purposes. The engine was on the second deck, and the first floor was much lower to the ground, resulting in both a low center of gravity and easy passenger loading. In December of 1932, the Nevada Transportation Company purchased at least one special-design Coleman bus which would carry seven passengers and two tons of mail & express on their route between Las Vegas and Tonopah, Nevada. The Nevada transportation Company had an option to purchase two more Coleman buses, but I do not yet know if they were actually built. In June of 1936, Coleman built five big 30-passenger, 143 hp buses for the Estes Park Route of the Rocky Mountain Transportation Company. These buses were distinctive for their aisles being sloped down like a movie theater so that the passengers in the rear could see out the front window as well as the passengers in front. These buses were so successful, that 12 more were purchased that same December for a known total of 17 buses. The year 1936 is the last year that I have been able to actually document any Coleman bus production. In addition to the 18 fully-documented bus sales listed above, it is also known that the Denver Cab Company/Colorado Motorway (same owner operator – R.W. James) also purchased an unknown number of Coleman Buses, although I have not been able to document the actual number built. I have seen at least two photos of Colorado Motorway Coleman Buses in actual service. Don Chew is of the belief that the overall total number of Coleman buses produced may have been approximately 41, but I cannot yet find anything more to support that number.

>>>The topic of Coleman Buses is of great interest to a number of Coleman researchers, to include Don Chew, and any additional photos, documentation, or even great war stories would be greatly appreciated.
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
American Coleman had a licensing arrangement with the SnowBlast Corporation, 4695 Ironton Street, Denver, Colorado to build rotary snow plows, licensed by SnowBlast, but mounted on a Coleman model DD55RE 4x4, 4-wheel-steer chassis. The "carrier" (Coleman truck) was powered by a 220hp Cummins diesel and the SnowBlast rotor assembly (including helical spiral cutting bars) was powered by a super-charger Cummins 320hp Cummins diesel. The plow could handle 2300 tons of snow an hour and "cast" it as far as 120 feet.

I have identified DD55RE Coleman-mounted R-2200-H SnowBlast rotary snow plows dating from 1960-1971. The 1960 model can be identified by the "stepped" appearance of the engine compartments in back, the 320hp engine being much larger than the 220hp engine. These units tended to be delivered to airports and state highway departments in yellow or orange. The US Air Force may have had some units also.   In the 1971 CR-2200-H variant, both engine compartments are level with each other. The only ones I have identified were delivered in olive-drab to the US Army (4 units) in 1971.

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•    Does anyone know of any Coleman-mounted models later than 1971?

•    Does anyone know of any other Coleman chassis models, other than the DD55RE?

(As a point of clarification, SnowBlast licensed a number of other companies to also provide carriers (perhaps Oshkosh, FWD, Walter and others - not sure), but not all SnowBlasts were mounted on a Coleman chassis.)

Everything I find is being provided to Don Chew for his pending book on Coleman.
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Hey RatchetJaw,

I am still a bit fuzzy on SnowBlast corporate history, but my understanding is they brought the "Rolba System" from Europe to American about 1959, and by 1960 were issuing licences to heavy truck manufacturers to provide dedicated "carriers" (truck chassis) to mount their rotor/blower assembly and helical spiral cutting bars which cut the snow and fed it into the rotor. As a kid, I remember the helical spiral cutting bars (SnowBlast term) always reminded me of a giant yellow reel lawnmower mounted in front of the simply huge rotor blades. There were also two very tall vertical blades to cut a smooth channel through the snow the width of the truck.

SnowBlast eventually merged with or was perhaps bought out by Sicard and became Sicard-SnowBlast or SMI-Snowblast. This may have occurred in about 1977, the date you remember SnowBlast "going away."

When I was about 11-12 years old, I remember Don Higgens being some kind of senior engineer or project manager at Coleman for the SnowBlast project. I don't know whether he was on the Coleman payroll, or worked for SnowBlast, but he was on site at Coleman's Littleton plant and he and Dad became truly great friends. I do know that later Don Higgens was Executive Vice President of SnowBlast Corporation.

Pardon my trip down memory lane, but as a boy, one of the amazing sights I remember is when Coleman drove a SnowBlast down into Littleton's Sterns Park Lake and threw water, fish, tadpoles, frogs and whatever else some 40-50 yards all the way up onto South Spottswood Street. I remember excitedly laughing in surprise and total delight at the jaw-dropping awesome power of the big yellow behemoth. I think they were wanting to "load test" the big, heavy rotor blades to check the balance and such. Those were the days before ecological awareness, and any concern for fish, frogs, and such!! Ha!

Anyway, any memories you have about the SnowBlast plant on Ironton Street in Denver would be very welcome. Do you remember if they fabricated the rotor assemblies there, or did they come in from somewhere else?  My impression is that the SnowBlast plant was rather small, do I have that right?
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
One of the small but important SnowBlast details I forgot to mention is that it had a really interesting spinning insert in the windshield that literally spun at something like 1,000 rpms (not sure I have that right) and it would literally spin off any amount of slush, ice and snow, and so the visibility for the driver was just great. In later models, the cab was raised to sit well above the rotor assembly, again for great visibility for the operator. 

See the photo in my previous post showing the circular white frame on the driver-side windshield that housed the spinning insert.
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
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Information on Coleman Buses?

In my ongoing research in support of Don Chew’s pending book on the Coleman Motors Company of Littleton, Colorado (makers of heavy 4x4 trucks and aircraft towing tractors), we have been having difficulties in establishing any detailed information on Coleman buses.
  • Research suggests that Coleman built the chassis, and the bus bodies may have built by the Scott Cab Company. Incomplete information suggests that an overall total of an estimated (41) Coleman buses were built. 
  • Among the earliest known customers were the Colorado Motor Way (sometimes contracted as “Motorway”) and the Denver Cab Company, both managed by R.W. James of Denver.  Colorado Motor Way had been formed in Jan 1923 and had bought most of the buses (5 Faegol 20-passenger buses and 5 White 16-passenger buses) from bankrupt Inter-City Automobile Lines, Inc which had only operated from 18 Jun 1922 to 29 Dec 1922.
  • Early Colorado Motor Way routes included Canon City-Pueblo-Denver (only first year, franchise failed the approval process), then mainly routes from Denver to the Fort Collins area.  There also seems to have been some form of stub operation around the Silver Plume and Empire area, details pending. 
  • All this becomes relevant because photos of Colorado Motor Way buses on these routes may include Coleman-built units.   
Does anyone have any additional information on Coleman buses, or any suggestions on likely resources?

Thanks for any assistance or suggestions. 
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Hey John,

GREAT shot!  Did not know they had Colemans.  Cannot find it on eBay, is it still up for bid, or was that an old image?

Thanks for sharing!

Craig
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
1977 COLEMAN G-40-G (MB-4) UP FOR SALE....

While I have no personal role in this sale, I am always interested in seeing Coleman trucks and tugs preserved when possible.

I have noticed that the Village of Rantoul, Illinois is offering a 1977 American Coleman "G-40-G" for sale on eBay. The G-40 series was more commonly known by it’s military designation of "MB-4."

This is reportedly a 1977 model, which would have been a very early serial number after the G-40 was simplified and downsized from the original 1954 design. As an unusual feature, I would have expected a Allis-Chalmers 4331 engine, but the seller reports a Chrysler 318, much like had been used in the previous, heavier G-40 model.  Perhaps this was a transition period?

The seller reports the G-40-G runs and is in generally good condition, with the exception of the brake master cylinder being empty (leak or other issues?)

The G-40-G (MB-4) may be viewed at:   (very detailed data is provided, including work history)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/161426068103

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Any Coleman collectors out there that might want to give this guy a good home?
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Hey Turtlebrain, 

Yes, the vast majority of Coleman trucks from the very beginning of  production in August 1920 through closure in 1987 were, as you say "highway-going" trucks, mainly trucks with dump bodies that could also be mounted with snow plows, or other special rigs for setting telephone poles, logging, tank trucks, aircraft refueling, aircraft recovery, well drilling, and a wide variety of other special applications.  Several, such as the very early C-25 (1925) and the much later G-55 also came in "tractor" versions with a 5th wheel for hauling over-the-road semi-trailers.  In about 1966, they also developed a prototype over-the-road truck named the SpaceStar.  

There were also other, special, dedicated-use vehicles, such as the massive D55RE rotary snow plow built under license from SnowBlast Corporation, or the 4-ton, G-55A mounted with a Quick-Way Model - E shovel with attachments produced in WW-II (military designation G-84)

As a side note, from 1920 through about 1923-4, the trucks were known as Holmes Trucks, Plains Motors Trucks, then Holmes again briefly, until 1924 when brothers Alfred Eliot Coleman and George Levi Coleman bought controlling interest in Plains Iron Works, and then re-branded the truck as "Coleman."  
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Hey Jeff, 

Yes, those are great articles, I think Don Chew found them to be very helpful when I sent them to him several months ago.  CCJ is a truly great resource!


By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Yes, Hambone, that's exactly right, #187 was restored by Don Chew for Jim Gumbles.  For the full story, see This Old Truck, Vol. 4, No. 5, Nov-Dec 1996, pp. 24-27.  

By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Hey T, 

Yes, that's the SpaceStar -- 4-wheel steer, 4-wheel drive, and integrated cab and trailer arrangement where the trailer is hard-connected to the cab with a rails locking mechanism rather than a 5th-wheel.  In the publicity photo you posted, the trailer has been backed off a bit and they are looking down at the rigid locking rails    
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Anyone have a better scan of this Dayton Wheels ad featuring a circa 1926 Coleman X-100-F?.  The X-100-F was mainly used for logging operations and also for hauling telephone and power poles  -- The X-100-F would usually team up with a D-40X mounted with a pole-setting rig.   

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By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
American Coleman had a licensing arrangement with the Marmon-Herrington Company that lasted from approximately 1964-1984 and involved a license to use the patented Coleman 4x4 axle in MH conversions for commercial heavy trucks. The licensed axle was called an "MC-9" (Marmon-Coleman-9) and appears to have been used mainly on conversions of GMC trucks. 

•    Does anyone have photos of a "MC-9" conversion? Was the heavy dome hub protector stamped as "MC-9" or perhaps "Marmon-Coleman"?

•    Were these conversions limited to GMC trucks only?

•    Can anyone provide additional information on these conversions?

(I already have a copy of The Marmon Heritage by George & Stacey Hanley, but it only provides limited information.  I have posted a similar query on the ATHS forum and I am providing everything I find to Don Chew for his pending book on Coleman.)

Thanks!
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago

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>>Photo source: Wot, Vol. 24, No. 6, Nov-Dec 2003, pg 17.

I am researching Coleman history, and in about 1925 or so, Coleman entered into an arrangement with Columbian Steel Tank Company to sell Coleman C-25 four-wheel-drive tractor lash-ups with Columbian 5,200 gallon frame-less trailers.

I am having trouble finding much more about this. Can anyone refer me to someone researching Columbian Steel Tank Company trailers?

Thanks!
Craig

By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Bill, thanks for posting this. I am not sure when he retired from the Army, but my understanding is that Art Herrington was a major adviser to Harleigh R. Holmes and Coleman Motors from about 1925 until about 1931 when he struck out on his own and co-founded (along with Walter Carpenter Marmon) the Marmon-Herrington Company, which specialized in 4x4 trucks for the military. During his time with Coleman, Art Herrington had a major influence in moving Coleman towards also offering a variety of military 4x4 vehicles, a focus that continued long after Herrington left and up to the very end of Coleman operations in 1987. It is my understanding that for all intents and purposes, Art Herrington was the "Washington DC Branch" of Coleman Motors (as referred to in print ads of the time) and played a huge role in promoting Coleman trucks to potential military buyers.

If I have any of this wrong, please correct me, but regardless, "Col". Arthur William Sidney Herrington (1891-1970) was very interesting guy and made many important contributions to four-wheel drive technology and its applications for military use.

On a side note, Art Herrington never advance beyond "major" in the Army Reserves following the great war.  His title of "colonel" was purely honorific and bestowed on him by his peers.  He liked it, so he used it the rest of his life. 
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Hi Bill,

Yes, I already have that edition of the Field Artillery Journal, but I know your posting will be of great interest to other researchers interested in the early development of Coleman (and other company) 4x4 prototypes being designed for the military, as well as Art Herrington's deep interest in developing a more fully-mechanized, modern US Army, even in the face of significant post WW-I peacetime down-sizing and budget cuts. I have recently found a special appreciation for Art Herrington's patriotism and commitment to the US Army, considering he had actually been born and raised in Coddenham, East Suffolk, England.

I found your most recent post particularly interesting since I am a former Marine officer myself (a mustang actually), but I was only a lowly 1st Lieutenant with Wpns Plt, Echo 2/6 some 45 years ago. Yes, Art Herrington played a large roll in developing numerous vehicles used by the USMC, including the omnipresent Jeep. Every Marine rifle company had at least one Jeep and trailer – either our First Shirt or Gunny would usually drive ours.  That poor trailer would bounce and buck like a bronco!  Ha!  Our Jeep seemed to have only two speeds -- bugs-in-your-eyes Fast and skidding, dusty Stop. 

Thanks for you kind comments - ever since I connected with Don Chew last year, I have been providing him with everything I find in support of his pending book on the history of Coleman due out late this year.

Semper Fi!
Craig
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Hi John,

I have those two shots also, the top one of the C-25 towing the 5,200 gal. Columbian Frameless Tank trailer is taken on Main Street Littleton, just west of the intersection with Prince Street, and is from the Littleton Museum collection. I like it because it clearly highlights the "signature" Coleman heavy dome hub protectors on both the front and rear axles of the C-25. Not very big, but great traction.  The Army bought it as a type "TTL" towing tractor for light 37mm antiaircraft guns and other light field artillery. 

The lower 1920's shot is an early variant of the 5-ton model being demonstrated carrying 10,000 lbs of cement up Ruby Hill in South Denver. Coleman used Ruby Hill as one of their favorite demo sites for many years, even well into the 1950's when they were experimenting with farm tractors and earth moving prototypes related to the D44B Famese project for the military. The shot is probably from the Denver Public Library Western Collection, but I have an original print in my collection also.

Great shots!
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Hi Bill,

Do you mean Jim Grumbles' Coleman #187.  As far as I know, it is the earliest fully restored Coleman.    Serial #9 (old Littleton fire truck) and #18 (Kenny Plandel) are perhaps too far gone to do much with. 
By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Wow, Jeff!!  What a wonderful post...  Even though Art Herrington eventually struck out on his own and went into direct competition with Coleman, I have continued to expand my appreciation for his remarkable life and contributions.  He was truly a leader in his field....

By chtrout - 5 Years Ago
Hi Bill,

No that wasn't me in Castle Rock. Art Julian perhaps? We went to school together and his Dad worked at Coleman for many years also.

As for "the ant," is this what you were referring to? I do not remember the model number, but I believe it was designed for a very low-slung aircraft. Dad helped in some way with the hydraulics. I don't think it ever went into full production. Does anyone else remember any details?

Craig

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By chtrout - 5 Years Ago
Hey Bill,

Great shots! Thanks for posting those. I was straining to see if my Dad was in ether of the two shots to the right. I remember they had some real problems getting the rather unusual hydraulics setup to work smoothly.

Craig
By chtrout - 5 Years Ago
American Coleman  "CF-55-AF" Double-Cab Towing Tractors for the B-36

There has been some recent interest in the big CF-55-AF "double-cab" Air Force Towing Tractors built in three contracts in 1949, 1950, and 1951 for an overall total of (617) units. (see my earlier post from 24 Oct 2013)

-- As an admittedly weak attempt at Coleman humor, I thought everyone might like to know just where CF-55-AFs actually came from. Coleman simply grew them on a local "Truck Farm" just east of Littleton! Here is the fall crop almost ready for harvest...


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Actually, this photo was taken 62 years ago TODAY, October 30, 1951. That's Tom Farney, Chief Inspector for Coleman, at the front left checking one of the big GMC double cabs. (The earlier 1949 run had used Ford double cabs). My understanding is the GMC cabs had been ordered through Burt Chevrolet in Englewood (by coincidence where Dad worked before coming to Coleman in 1950), and they began arriving in such huge numbers, Burt had to store some of the cabs on their near-by pasture lands until Coleman had enough room to come pick them up for use on their extremely busy assembly lines – (495) units in that 1951 order alone. Busy times!

Below 
is a shot of the very crowded erecting floor at the "West Plant" just across Curtis Street from the main plant on Nevada Street.




Below is a print advertisement showing one of the earlier double-cab units from the 1949 order towing a B-36.  This first order used back-to-back Ford cabs, rather than the GMC cabs used in the following two orders in 1950 and 1951,  (Source: Automotive Industries, July 15, 1950, page 9)



And finally, here are two "official" company shots by Littleton commercial photographer, John Grissinger, who for all intents and purposes was the official Coleman photographer throughout the 1950s and 1960s.

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These trucks were just plain big! As a small boy, it was a real scramble when I was invited up into the cab.

(All
images above are from my personal collection -- please credit as appropriate.)

By chtrout - 5 Years Ago
Bill,

Yes, that sure looks like a CF-55-AF double Ford cab from the 1949 order. My understanding is the 1950 order had cabs fabricated by Coleman, but Ford doors. My shots, of course were from the 1951 order with double GM cabs.

Craig
By chtrout - 5 Years Ago
Hambone,

That appears to be a short-wheelbase (136") G-55 from the very late 1940's or early 1950's

This is a somewhat unusual shot in that the hood seems a bit shorter and it does not have duals in back. However, the G-55 was offered with 4-wheel steering as an add-on option, so perhaps that is the reason for the single rear wheels on this one.

G-55's were introduced in 1940 and in later years (about 1949-1955) were the only American Coleman truck model actually listed as a standing catalog item. All other trucks and various tractors were built to specifications on contracts. Over the years, the G-55 had various modifications and upgrades and offered wheel bases ranging from 136" to 160". They were ordinarily powered with a Cummins diesel.

Craig


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By chtrout - 4 Years Ago
Re: Military Designation for the Coleman G-75 "tug"

As most Coleman researchers know, most Coleman trucks or towing tractors (tugs) built for the military had both a Coleman model number as well as a military designator. 

•    As an example, the ubiquitous Coleman "G-40" Air Force Towing Tractor was known as an "MB-4" in military circles, and is most often remembered as the MB-4 even to this day.

Question: Coleman later produced a much heavier variant of the G-40 and gave it the model number of a "G-75." It had the same cab, but a wider frame and significant ballast weights for added traction.

•    Does anyone know the military designation (MB-?) for the Coleman G-75?

In a similar question, Coleman produced a heavy-frame G-55A in 1943 for the Army Engineers that was mounted with a "Quick-Way" Series-E crane, which also came with an "attachments-trailer" for the clam-shell, shovel, and pile-driver attachments. 

•    Does anyone know the military designation (MB-?) for the Coleman G-55A mounted with a Quick-Way Series-E crane?

Thanks!
Craig
By jhancock - 5 Years Ago
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This is a 1929 Coleman all wheel drive dump truck powered by a 128 hp Buda engine shown in South Deerfield, MA in 2011.

Jim
By jhancock - 5 Years Ago
Interesting info!

I suppose if someone wanted a Coleman badly enough they could have put it on a railcar.

Driving would have been a sloooow trip!

Jim
By jhancock - 5 Years Ago
Looks like a good snow pusher!
By jhancock - 5 Years Ago
I don't recall where I saw a mini bulldozer that was designed to ride in a glider to be used in clearing hedgerows and other obstacles for the D-Day invasion.

Jim
By John Dameron - 2 Years Ago
Craig, I had to miss Macungie last year to have surgery but hope to be there this year.  If so, I'll be riding a mostly black scooter.  Maybe we can meet up there.  I'll plan to be there all day Friday and most of Saturday.  
 John Dameron (3/4/2016)
chtrout (3/3/2016)
John Dameron (3/3/2016)

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John, this has always been one of my all-time favorite Coleman restorations, and your photos are exceptional!  I very much hope it is at Macungie again this year, I am wanting to finally meet Dick Hallburg in person and spend some up-close "quality time" with this wonderful old Coleman survivor.   Thanks for sharing! 

Keep Calm and Coleman On!

Craig





By John Dameron - 2 Years Ago
Eddy Lucast (3/4/2016)
John, do you still have a PeterJ decal on the scooter?


Eddy, I still have it on there. 


By John Dameron - 2 Years Ago
Craig, I noticed you said you would be at Bridgewater May 21st.  What is your home town?  I may have to rethink Macungie.  The AACA Grand National Meet is the first weekend in June at Williamsport and I don't want to miss it.  If I do go to Williamsport I will probably skip Macungie.  Like you said, retirement kind of makes it too expensive to go to every show you want to see.  I will watch for you in Bridgewater. 
By John Dameron - 2 Years Ago

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/dedaec9c-89d5-4dca-8dfc-86f8.jpgIf I can remember how to attach photos I will post some I took at Macungie a few years ago of a 1929 Coleman.http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/5628c528-2675-4a8f-bb20-c34b.jpg

By John Dameron - 2 Years Ago
chtrout (3/3/2016)
John Dameron (3/3/2016)

http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/dedaec9c-89d5-4dca-8dfc-86f8.jpgIf I can remember how to attach photos I will post some I took at Macungie a few years ago of a 1929 Coleman.http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/5628c528-2675-4a8f-bb20-c34b.jpg



John, this has always been one of my all-time favorite Coleman restorations, and your photos are exceptional!  I very much hope it is at Macungie again this year, I am wanting to finally meet Dick Hallburg in person and spend some up-close "quality time" with this wonderful old Coleman survivor.   Thanks for sharing! 

Keep Calm and Coleman On!

Craig



By Skip - 5 Years Ago
The RCAF (Canada) had a fleet of these things. IIRC they had a flathead Chrysler product engine and a Torqueflight or something similer for a transmission. We used Unimogs in Germany and the Colemen in Canada.
By Trucker - 5 Years Ago
Two postwar Colenans Model G-55 with Comfo-Vision and self-made cabs.
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By Trucker - 4 Years Ago
Coleman production statistic from Ward's automotive yearbook 1953.

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By Trucker - 4 Years Ago
From Ward's automotive yearbook 1951:
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By Trucker - 3 Years Ago
1929 Coleman 6x6
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By Trucker - 3 Years Ago
chtrout (3/8/2015)
Question on the Coleman G-55 vs. D-55 Trucks
I am hoping for some research assistance if anyone has additional information.
∙   >>> Question: Does anyone out there have any catalog pages or specs for the D-55?  I am fairly familiar with the G-55 but I am lacking authoritative specs on the D-55. I assume a larger engine – I believe the D-55 had a Cummins 290 turbo diesel, at least early in its production run. 
∙    Any assistance would greatly appreciated. Please PM me if you have any D-55 data sheets. 
∙    I would also very warmly welcome any other Coleman catalog sheets you might be willing to scan, loan, sell, or even "donate" to our ongoing Coleman research effort.  We are trying very hard to get this right...


Craig,
Specifications of Coleman G-55 and D-55 trucks contain in the old Automotive Industries and Commercial Car Journal magazines. For example data from 1963 Automotive Industries.

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By Trucker - 3 Years Ago
Craig,
Archives of these magazines are here:
http://www.ai-online.com/Adv/catalog/cat_index.php?FromDate=01%2F01%2F1950&ToDate=11%2F02%2F1959&q=&Submit=Search
http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000506927?type%5B%5D=all&lookfor%5B%5D=CCJ&ft=ft
By Trucker - 2 Years Ago
Early truck of Harleigh Holmes
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By Trucker - 2 Years Ago
Craig, what can you say about this 1920 Holmes truck?
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By Trucker - 2 Years Ago
I'm looking for photos of the date plates of Coleman EH-62. Model EH-62 isn't mentioned anywhere.
By Trucker - 2 Years Ago
Information about the model EH-62 in automobile magazines is missing.
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By Trucker - 2 Years Ago
chtrout (10/4/2016)
Who Were the 4x4 Truck Manufacturers in 1920?
Question – Can anyone add to this list? While there were "numerous" 4x4 patents, we are looking for 4x4 trucks that actually made it into full-scale production by 1920.

Morton (1915).
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By ppsyclone - 5 Years Ago
I have a polite request. Can we please keep this thread for Coleman trucks and perhaps have a separate thread for the aviation stuff. I was Naval Air and worked on the flight deck of the USS Ranger in Nam. I love the aviation stuff too. But how about if we keep the truck make threads just for that make. It is a valuble research and education tool for all of us, especially those of us relatively new to old trucks. Thanks for listening.
By ppsyclone - 5 Years Ago
Here's a link to the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAAo_w6fhm4
By ppsyclone - 4 Years Ago
I remember the Snowblast facility on Ironton. It was there when I moved to Denver in 1976. I think it went away in 77 or so. I wonder if Coleman was providing chassis then. That would shed some light on when Coleman production ended. Perhaps by that time they were using other chassis. They were rare birds out here. Whereas Coleman plows were all over the place. As far as MH goes, I learned about it on the MH web site. For a while they had a converted Diamond Reo with a Coleman axle on their web page. Perhaps they could provide some pictures
By ppsyclone - 3 Years Ago
After WW2 Coleman used Chevy or GMC cab. They shut down due to a strike in 50-51. When they reopened and introduced new models they used the IH Comfo Vision cab.The picttured truck had a Cummins init currently. I heard it is a 262.
By ppsyclone - 2 Years Ago
Around that time were Nevada, Ware, Kato, Golden West, Robinson, Jackson too
By ppsyclone - Last Year
Last time I saw the Weicker truck, it belonged to Meritt towing and it was sitting in a yard on the east side of 85, I think  north of 104 th st. Also does anyone know about a really heavy Coleman parked in a yard where 85 branches off of I-76? And it up there on the west side I last saw the Space Star.
By ppsyclone - Last Year
It was red and it has been more than 20 years since I have seen it.
By ppsyclone - Last Year
Yes. At one time they were the biggest Allied agent in Colorado. I have heard the younger generation took it over and ran it into the ground. When I moved here in 1976, Weicker was still a big company, but on the decline. They were gone in the early 80's. They had sold the heavy haul division to Duffy Crane, a millwright service. They are still around and the still have Old Snort, a huge Mack prime mover. I think it's an LRVSW, about a 1955 model. 
By ppsyclone - Last Year