STERLING HC 165 (1942)


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By John Gott - 6 Years Ago
I can  now officially  state that I am a member of the STERLING chain gang with the purchase of a  STERLING HC 165.
Here is the back story; at this past years convention in York I met Jeff L (in person) along with Warren Richardson and Kenny O. Between talking with Warren and Jeff, I became an admirer of Sterling trucks. So the hunt began for a truck. Many were looked via the internet and Kenny even went to check out a truck in person. Many phone calls were made to Warren who offered his vast knowledge on the brand.
Fast Forward to July 12 of this year when Kenny and Warren were attending a truck show and there was a Sterling in attendance. How fortunate I was to have a leading expert on Sterling trucks ( Warren) there to check the truck over and take many pictures. After much consulting with Warren, Kenny and my broker in Florida (Jeff L aka Orlando Superpower Sales),  a deal was struck with the trucks owner.
Warren advised that according to his research, only 116 HC 165 tractors were produced and this was the only known survivor with a Waukesha gas motor. This truck was purchased by the US Navy for the Bureau of Docks and Shipyards and saw post war service with HEFFERMAN Bros house movers.
Warren saw this truck back in the early '70s in a building through a window.
Gary Sylvester bought out HEFFERNMAN Bros and this truck was included in the deal. I bought it from Gary.
It still has it's original Waukesha engine with a 5 speed main box and 3 speed aux trans.

So a huge thanks to Warren, Kenny and of course Jeff L, for if I had not run into him at the convention and then met Kenny and Warren, this deal would have never happened.

I did not purchase the trailer (yet)

John G

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By Wolfcreek_Steve - 6 Years Ago
Wow, one of one left! That is pretty special, glad to see it in good hands. Congratulations!

By chocko - 6 Years Ago
Truck looks in great shape. It definitely looks like big boy tires 24" tube type.Good Luck Joe D.
By Junkmandan - 6 Years Ago
Was 12.00 by 24 the biggest size in 24s back then ?
By John Gott - 6 Years Ago
The M 26 dragon wagon came with 14:00 x 24's

John G
By Aaron - 6 Years Ago
Nice save, thats a serious unit there.
By John Gott - 6 Years Ago
Today, HC 165 said goodbye to it's big brother before it makes the trip to it's new home. A big thank you to Kenny O for the transport!

John G

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By ELPOUND - 6 Years Ago
Very cool truck.
By John Gott - 6 Years Ago
After conferring with Warren Richardson, this is a 1944 model.

John G
By ROBERTHC147 - 2 Years Ago
Hello,

I just bought an HC 147 That needs a full restoration and I was wondering if you had any manuals on your or you could send me some more pictures so I can rebuild mine. I am in MA and if you are local it would be amazing if you could let me swing by to look at it. Any help would be amazing.

Thank you, Rob
By Warren Richardson - 2 Years Ago
Rob, Welcome to Just Old Trucks and to the Sterling truck community!  Jeff told me that you were seeking HC147 information.  I'd be more than happy to provide some. I am very curious about your truck and whatever you might know about its history. It would be great to see some pictures! Mine is a 1938 model and the truck on the right side of the attached photo.http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/2a00566e-942b-455d-86fa-53f5.jpg
By Warren Richardson - 2 Years Ago
Hi Rob ROBERTHC147 - I sent you a PM regarding Sterling HC147 information.  Look below your name when you log in and you should be able to get to my message by clicking on PM. It only took me a few years to figure that out!
By ScottM - 2 Years Ago
The wrecking Corp truck, what a classic looking dump truck, I'd like to have something like that in my yard! I quite like the older model dash but the cab lines on the late model cab are a little more appealing to me.
By Bruce Ohnstad - 2 Years Ago
Warren, what is the wheelbase of your Sterling dump truck?  Jeff, and others, what would be the wheelbase of the bathtub dump, the Wrecking truck, and the green Moore dump?

I'm piecing together some of the previous work my White crane carrier.  It has dump pivot holes that look like originally a short wheelbase dump, or maybe concrete mixer.  Then 50" was added, and axle slid back, when the crane frame went on.

I can't find straight-on side pictures to help gauge wheelbase on the bathtub rock box sizes on single axle chassis.  To avoid hijacking this thread, could you PM me?

Bruce
By ROBERTHC147 - 3 Months Ago
see photos of mine its the one out of CT.http://forums.justoldtrucks.com/uploads/images/c94b2841-4052-4a84-a151-4c45.jpg
By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 6 Years Ago
John, I am always glad to help a friend spend his money. That is a great truck you have there, a real one of a kind. With it's Navy history it fits right in with your other stuff. I'm glad it went to a good home.

John didn't mention it, but it is believed that Heffernan Bros was the first civilian owner of this truck and it has been garaged ever since. It is a wonderful survivor.
By Tony Bullard - 6 Years Ago
John the truck is going to be lonely without it's trailer. If you had it you could haul some of your stuff to more shows.

Trevor Sylvester of Falmouth MA owns your truck's big brother from Heffernan Bros Building Movers of Warwick RI. It's a 1944 tandem Sterling rigging tractor with 12.00 24's. I'm sure Jeff has pictures of it from the West Springfield Show.

By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 6 Years Ago
The big brother to John's new truck is this HCS297H dual chain drive monster, another beautiful survivor that has been garaged most of its life. This truck is for sale also. I have heard the figure 100K mentioned.

Trevor and Gary Sylvester are the same person. He runs a building moving business on Cape Cod and got both trucks when he bought out Heffernan Bros a few years ago.



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By Tony Bullard - 6 Years Ago
Those tires might even be 14.00 24's on the monster. I knew they were way bigger than the 11's on my truck.
By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 6 Years Ago
I think they are Tony. Warren will know.
By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 2 Years Ago
Rob, welcome to Just Old Trucks ! John may be able to help you but I'm certain he would also refer you to Warren Richardson. Warren knows more about Sterlings than anyone I know and he also owns an HC147, which also needs a complete restoration. It's very possible Warren knows some history on your truck. I'll make sure he sees this. How about some pictures of your Sterling ?
By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 2 Years Ago
Rob, here is a little info on the HC147, I'm going to guess that Warren's pm has some of this too.

This HC147 is from about 1940 and has the early cab used from 1938 to 1945.
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This HC147 is circa 1946 and has the newer cab used from 1945 to 1948.  Notice the taller windshields and the larger window in the door.
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This is the dashboard of the 1938-45 cab
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This is the dashboard of the 1945-48 cab.
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If the corners of your windshield are rounded then you have the 126 cab which was used from 1948 to 1950 in the HC series. Other models used it until 1953.
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If your hood has 4 vent doors your truck was most likely equipped with a Waukesha 6SRKR flathead 6 cylinder engine. If it has 5 doors it was most likely Cummins diesel powered. Your serial number should be on the left front frame rail behind the front bumper. It will read "147HC6XXX or XXXX.

I got these pictures from Warren except for the last one.
By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 2 Years Ago
Bruce Ohnstad (6/18/2019)
Warren, what is the wheelbase of your Sterling dump truck?  Jeff, and others, what would be the wheelbase of the bathtub dump, the Wrecking truck, and the green Moore dump?

I'm piecing together some of the previous work my White crane carrier.  It has dump pivot holes that look like originally a short wheelbase dump, or maybe concrete mixer.  Then 50" was added, and axle slid back, when the crane frame went on.

I can't find straight-on side pictures to help gauge wheelbase on the bathtub rock box sizes on single axle chassis.  To avoid hijacking this thread, could you PM me?

Bruce


This is from Warren Richardson: 

Bruce - the typical Sterling single axle dump wheelbase was 163" for trucks with the OHV 140GK engine (or 161" was typical in the early '40s) and 157" for trucks with the flat head 6SRKR engine (HC144, HC147).  This provided a 76" back-of-cab to CL rear axle dimension. I think that this was generally true, but there were other variations. Real side view pictures are hard to find!
Attached picture is of c1950 HC144 sn 144HC6640 (I think!)


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By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 3 Months Ago
Nice Sterling. Warren Richardson also has an HC147, he should be along soon. Do you have the serial number of yours ? 

I fixed the photo. 

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