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By Jeeperscreepers - 6 Years Ago
What is it?   Anybody want it?
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By Jeeperscreepers - 6 Years Ago
How about the yellow one?
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By Newfie-Trucker - 6 Years Ago
sterling is he first one  ..   second oe the yellow looks like a federal
By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 6 Years Ago
The yellow one is a Federal. The first one is also a Federal, a model 606 C2 Army Air Force wrecker. I think I know who owns these. Are they for sale ?
By Jeeperscreepers - 6 Years Ago
I can't believe I stumped Jeff.   Wrecker is a Diamond T 969A, 4 ton and the yellow one is a 52 federal.   Yes Jeff they will be for sale.   Huge military auction on July 2nd.   I don't know how to post the link to the auction site but they are in Grove City, Oh.  Auctioneer is DAF Auctions, Inc.  and the auctioneer ID number is 5526.    There's a ton of cars and trucks in addition to military vehicles.  The info needs to be in a separate thread announcing it.   Thanks,   Dan 
By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 6 Years Ago
Dan, you didn't stump me, that wrecker is a Federal. You got some bad information. I have at least 100 pictures of them, probably more. I've always wanted one.
By Freightrain - 6 Years Ago
I'd agree and don't know much....but we did have a Federal wrecker at our Ashland show last week....and pretty much matches that.  That cab is so wide you can near put 4 guys across the seat!!!

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By Jeeperscreepers - 6 Years Ago
Jeff,  I stand corrected!  I did not stump Jeff!!!!   You are correct on the C-2 wrecker  The federal is listed only as a C-2. There must be another wrecker which is a 1943 Diamond T that's not pictured.   Since I never get any of the "What am I's" correct, I assumed the picture was the Diamond T.  You know what happens when you assume!   I forgot to mention that the auction flyer is on "Auctionzip.com" in Ohio. 
By Gordon_M - 6 Years Ago
The three trucks behind the yellow Federal are General Motors products

First one is a 6x6 CCKW open cab compressor truck with a LeRoi on the back, second one is a Chevrolet 4x4 1.5 ton K-44 Signal Corps Earth Augur, third looks to be another open cab plain CCKW.
By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 6 Years Ago
It looks like the C2 wrecker is coming to Florida. I'm on cloud nine.
By Jeeperscreepers - 6 Years Ago

Is it coming to your shop?  I'm afraid to make another assumption.  LOL   Just found out that congratulations are in order.    Dan

By Freightrain - 6 Years Ago
Congrats Jeff!!
By Park Olson - 6 Years Ago

   O BOY,,,,,,,,,,,,stay tuned,,,,,,,,,,,BIG:w00t: story to follow,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,:w00t:

By John Gott - 6 Years Ago
Finally Jeff L gets to join the BIG truck fraternity!!!! A long time coming. Will he ever get that grin off of his face

John G
By VTMACK - 6 Years Ago
How to go Jeff, I'll have to come over and see it. Addition to the shop coming up!?!?!?   lol
By John Gott - 6 Years Ago
VT;
He has enough room in his shop to put his new addition in the HOPPER..

John
By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 6 Years Ago
John Gott (7/3/2016)
Finally Jeff L gets to join the BIG truck fraternity!!!! A long time coming. Will he ever get that grin off of his face

John G


No, the grin is permanently attached ! I still can't believe I got this truck, and for a very reasonable price. I first saw one of these C2 wreckers in the 1980's, and I knew right away that I wanted one someday. This particular truck was bought by a house mover in New Jersey after the war, and was kept inside most of its life. Somehow around 2008 it ended up in a scrap yard, and a man named Matt Picaro saved it and drove it to his home a few miles away. Matt had it for sale in 2009 , and I wanted it then but I didn't have the money. Jeff Chester bought it in 2010. He was collecting WW2 vehicles for a museum he was planning. Jeff never had the truck running and really didn't do anything with it, other than sand the house mover signage off the passenger door and the boom. He covered the cab with a tarp and the truck has been sitting outside since. However, the truck still appears to be in very good condition. The sheet metal is excellent, and the truck is mostly original. A large winch has replaced the 5th wheel, and the original winch that was ahead of the rear bumper is missing. The worst part of the truck is the doors, the cab is wood frame and the doors are separating. The rest of the wood looks solid, it is not rotten but just very old. The truck is not running, of course, but I am hopeful it will not take much to get it going.

Here are photos from the auction site. These were taken last week and show the current condition. The odometer reads 4300 miles. There is a slight possibility that could be the actual mileage, although I am not getting my hopes up. They pulled the bumper off trying to pull it out of the ruts it had settled into. I guess they didn't see those big tow hooks.  

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The attached photos were taken in 2009-10.

I have to thank John Gott for moral support and especially Ken O for helping with transport and more. Without them this wouldn't have happened.

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The transmission is original, but the shift knob is not !
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By chocko - 6 Years Ago
Congradulations Jeff. What are the engine and driveline specs. ?  Did it start life as a tractor as it had a 5th wheel ? thanks Joe D.
By ScottM - 6 Years Ago
Congratulations on the truck purchase! That will be a great looking rig all fixed up - hopefully I'll get to see it a some future show!
By wayne graham - 6 Years Ago
Congratulations Jeff. If I was younger I would be jealous but I am so glad to see you guys saving things like this.
By Jeeperscreepers - 6 Years Ago
What Wayne said!!!!   Getting old is a bitch.
By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 6 Years Ago
chocko (7/3/2016)
Congradulations Jeff. What are the engine and driveline specs. ?  Did it start life as a tractor as it had a 5th wheel ? thanks Joe D.


Joe, it has a Hercules HXD 855 ci flathead six gas engine, mated to a 5 speed transmission and 2 speed transfer case. This truck has always been a wrecker and was equipped with a 5th wheel when new as well. The Army Air Force used them to recover disabled aircraft. There were also semi tractors built on the same chassis but those were used to pull two 4000 gallon fuel trailers in tandem.

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By John Gott - 6 Years Ago
A BIG shout out to Ken O with arranging transport. Now Jeff has the biggest wrecker on the block, guess I am going have to arrange a play date in his sand box.

John G
By VTMACK - 6 Years Ago
John you spelled it wrong it's hoppah !!!!!!
By John Gott - 6 Years Ago
I stand corrected!

John G

By Eddy Lucast - 6 Years Ago
Jeff,
I don't care how solid you think the wood is don't let the truck whisper'rrrr near it with a torch!

YOU BEEN WARNED!!

lol
By Wolfcreek_Steve - 6 Years Ago
Jeff Lakaszcyck (7/3/2016)
John Gott (7/3/2016)
Finally Jeff L gets to join the BIG truck fraternity!!!! A long time coming. Will he ever get that grin off of his face

John G


 The worst part of the truck is the doors, the cab is wood frame and the doors are separating. The rest of the wood looks solid, it is not rotten but just very old.

Jeff, I'm building new door frames for my Autocar right now, (Finally screwed up the courage) I'm switching to steel and it's not for the faint of heart. If I were you I would investigate some type of epoxy infusion system to stabilize the wood you have, or find a cabinet maker that likes weird jointery. Maybe try West Systems for ideas.
My Autocar has some subtle curves in the doors that do not lend themselves to steel tubing. I've spent about 2 weeks on one door frame and have a simple hoop that fits the hole in the cab and swings temporarily on its new hinge, I still need to position the window hardware, bracing,  the latch mechanism and the steel edging that holds the skin on. Once that is done, I can do it all over again on the other side. (measurements will all be slightly different)

When I was a high school kid, the local house mover had what I believe was one of these. (at least a big honkin' surplus Federal wrecker) About 15 years ago it ended up in a local junkyard, within 2 weeks it was all cut up and gone, sadly it was driven the last 10 miles from the house movers yard to the salvage yard. Engine was probably worth more than they got for the complete truck at iron prices back then.
By Bill Bradford - 6 Years Ago
Congrats Jeff. As you know I always liked the WWII wreckers. I'm sure you will find it very interesting. If I can help in any way please let me know but John Gott has a great wealth of knowledge on the old wreckers. I really like it.
By Slim 3979 - 6 Years Ago

Jeff, we really like your new wrecker and we're really glad you've got it.  I'm sure that CB antenna on the mirror will come in handy.

Slim

By Brocky - 6 Years Ago
Jeff
Congrats!!!! Will have to come on down to your sandbox someday!!!
By Tutlebrain - 6 Years Ago
Congrats Jeff! I'm assuming you will restore it back to original at some stage. A useful truck with that crane.
Cheers
T
By Eddy Lucast - 6 Years Ago
Jeff, Have you measured how long it is boom and all?
You may need a window on the back side of the shop you can poke the boom thru!
LOL
By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 6 Years Ago
Without moving the White engine and transmission sitting on the floor, I have about 37 feet of floor space, plus another 20 feet for the boom if I back the truck in. However I would like to nose it in so I need to find out the total length.

I just looked up the older model with the curved boom and it is about 34 feet from the bumper to the end of the boom, so it looks like I have plenty of room. I actually built my garage with the thought I might have one of these trucks someday.  

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Plenty of room
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By chocko - 6 Years Ago
   Jeff It does not look like a very big job to remove boom while you work on truck in the shop.Joe D.

By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 6 Years Ago
Bill Bradford (7/4/2016)
Congrats Jeff. As you know I always liked the WWII wreckers. I'm sure you will find it very interesting. If I can help in any way please let me know but John Gott has a great wealth of knowledge on the old wreckers. I really like it.


Thanks to everyone for the kind words. Bill it's good to know I have a couple of experts just a phone call away. My initial plan for the truck is to get it running and the brakes working so I can move it in and out of the garage. Hopefully six of the tires will hold air, that's all I will need for a while. Once I get the truck where I can move it I will get back to work on the WB28. You are all welcome to take a Florida vacation and come over and check it out !
By Slim 3979 - 6 Years Ago
Welcome home Brocky.  How was your trip??

slim
By Bruce Ohnstad - 6 Years Ago
Congrats, Jeff, on your new project.  We'd like pictures of the big 855 Herc.  Your WB 28 will be your economy car compared to the Federal.

Bruce
By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 6 Years Ago
Bruce, I don't think either one of them is going to win the Mobil Economy Run LOL !

Here are the only pics I have of the engine.

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By Stretch - 6 Years Ago
Can't wait for the "first start" video !
Better have a barrel of racing gas handy.
By Tony Bullard - 6 Years Ago
Looks like it may have dual Malory ignition like the fire trucks.
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By Park Olson - 6 Years Ago
That typical Hercules intake manifold with square corners and all, seems like it would have terrible flow characteristics.  But it was patented,,,back in the '30's.
Somebody was proud of it.
By Tony Bullard - 6 Years Ago
I like the mechanical limiting speed governor under the throttle plate driven off the camshaft.
By Geoff Weeks - 6 Years Ago
My Buda LO525 uses a similar gov set up. It is on a generator, so you start, warm up, then pull the had throttle full open, and turn on the voltage regulator. The engine Gov hold 1800 rpm for the generator head.
 It also had duel ign, but it is mag/impulse on one set of plugs, battery and coil on the other. Typical Military redundancy, designed to be hand cranked with dead battery and still run. Yes, I did hand crank it once just to see if I could hand crank a 525 CID engine! 
By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 6 Years Ago
Tony Bullard (7/7/2016)
I like the mechanical limiting speed governor under the throttle plate driven off the camshaft.


Tony, are you talking about the long horizontal tube under the carburetor ?

Here are HXD pictures from a different C2 showing the dual spark plugs and the 12 wire distributer. It looks like my truck is only using every other post in the distributer cap.

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By Stretch - 6 Years Ago
Is that an oil bath crankcase breather ?
Looks to me like that engine was a runner before it was layed up.
By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 6 Years Ago
Stretch (7/7/2016)[ Looks to me like that engine was a runner before it was layed up.

The engine in the last photos I posted was a runner.
By Tony Bullard - 6 Years Ago
Jeff Lakaszcyck (7/7/2016)
Tony Bullard (7/7/2016)
I like the mechanical limiting speed governor under the throttle plate driven off the camshaft.


Tony, are you talking about the long horizontal tube under the carburetor ?

Here are HXD pictures from a different C2 showing the dual spark plugs and the 12 wire distributer. It looks like my truck is only using every other post in the distributer cap.

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Yes Jeff, in that tube is the governor control shaft. Notice you have a different carburetor than the HXD shown.

Looking closer I see now that the governor is driven off the accessory drive that is driven from the camshaft.



By Jeff Lakaszcyck - 6 Years Ago
I didn't notice the carburetors, but you are right. I'm going to guess that the side draft is what it originally had. I'll know for sure next week when I get the manuals.
By Tony Bullard - 6 Years Ago
Jeff did you get the truck home yet? I can't wait for a new C2 build in "Members Trucks".
By Tony Bullard - 6 Years Ago
Stretch (7/7/2016)
Is that an oil bath crankcase breather ?
Looks to me like that engine was a runner before it was layed up.


I think you are kinda right Stretch. But it must be a coalescing filter to separate water and oil vapor vented from the crankcase. The water and oil must settle to the bottom and have to be dumped when full.