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A South African B-train waiting at the Mozambique border, via Ferdy De Martin on the Toprun FB Group. Would not surprise me if it's an ex-US fleet judging by the front wheels. Up until recently you could register LHD trucks in SA so quite a few US trucks were imported to the country.
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Two IHs from Israel (courtesy of the Israel Transportation Preservation Group's FB page)
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New Westcoaster 3 man cab Hall-Scott 400
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For what its worth I have similar discussions when mentioning Israeli Leyland models, lol, which "do not exist". A lot of the bigger manufacturers who had local factories or assembly plants played the same spec/name game on a local level and this can cause confusion:blink:
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grenfell34 (6/1/2016)

I hope this goes some way to clarifying the topic
because it certainly not as clear cut as the sales brochures would have you believe!!!!




Kirky that is what I have been trying to say and no I dont have a sales brochure never did and no doubt never will I am a farmer and the only information I have is what came out in the IH product manuals were the trucks are listed as well and as I pointed out just because its not listed doesnt mean it wasnt done 
I dont think any AB Inters would have had the the 392 from new as the 392 wasnt sold in any shape or form in Australia at that stage but once again it doesnt mean I am right 
They may well have sold them with the 6354 Perkins as they were fitting them to the ACCO's of the same size as the 182 at that time
180 Cummins was listed as a option several years later in the R 190 etc and not until the D line was it listed as a motor for that style of truck but like the LoadStar and the 6V53 it wasnt until enough private people fitted them that IH made them a factory option
Was it possible to fit a C180 Cummins to a AB 184 from new at IH ???? I dunno I dare say a lot got retro fitted latter on as the 345's and C160 wore out 
And as some people on here like to point out I wasnt around back then or was I ????
I understand a lot of truck manufactures would build what is almost the equivalent of a glider kit in todays world and the purchaser fitted their own engine brand and or choice maybe IH were involved in that type of thing as well and would go a long way to explain a lot of things 

Now Hamish suggested that AB180 had a single speed diff not that I know either way but I dont think they would have enough power for that to be of any use with any amount of weight for such a small motor  but I wouldnt really know 2 speed diffs were pretty much a standard thing from around 5 ton upwards so I dont think a small engined 6 or 7 ton truck would have had the single speed diff 

All good input Kirky thanks 

Paul
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bill I opologise for getting you involved here
paul and Hamish are correct on the 392 gas engine not being available till the c line I didn't have much to do with  them
as for diesel powered ihc trucks in oz well that's a different story!
if you were,nt around back then old ads and sales brochures are a good reference point but
they didn't tell the whole story , prior to the ab series the biggest road truck ihc had here was the  L and theR  190/200
which were built here with the local cab and were all gas burners  mostly 406
if you wanted a diesel ihc after confirming the order would send the new truck to either cummins or detriot
and have the engine of choice fitted, at cummins there was a section devoted to repowers
the Lseries were mostly jbs  and jt and when the r 190 came out we started fittin the new c series
160 , 175 and c180  we even fitted 2 v6 200,s to 2 r200 drill rig trucks    .
 at detriot it was the same deal first the 4/71 and then the v6/53
when the ab series came out  around 1964 the c160 was standard factory fit
but ihc were not adverse to special orders
porter bros Sydney bought 3 ab184.s with c175,s and the r34 o/dtrans
lake boga trans  had several ab184,s with a mix of  c160 / c180,s
and there were countless owner drivers with  c180,s  in 184,s
you could still buy a r190 /200 when the ab series came out but they were no longer locally built
ihc were importing them rhd and tkd from the u.s  with the comfo vision cab and most were c 180 powered
another ihc special order I remember was for 'Flemings food stores'
they wanted 10  acco 1950,s but wouldn't touch those mongrel v8 185,s
so ihc fitted c180,s and 610 r/r
as for the ab182,s I have been told by a old ihc dealer that they were available
with the 392 or special order 6 345  perkadyne
I hope this goes some way to clarifying the topic
because it certainly not as clear cut as the sales brochures would have you believe!!!!


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Bill White (5/31/2016)
I have very little knowledge on these trucks and I get my info from a mate who worked on them for decades not from a book worm who knows nothing about practical knowledge.  
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This truck I would have called a AB180 with a Cummins  until yesterday, but I would have been wrong I never even looked into the correct model names or numbers until yesterday 
In Australia we have a lot of generic names for things and its not until asked that anyone ever really looks any further R model Macks ,SAR KW, AA, AB C line and D line Inters, Butter Box ACCO's , ACCO's, T liner , S line and the list goes on none of those names are correct but we all know what they mean 
I didnt look any further until Hamish and your self were discussing this and thought well I will look and see what the correct models are meant to be called 
No offense was meant I suspect I have failed there by the tone of your post or maybe I am reading that all wrong bit hard tell on the other side of the key board but no offense was meant 

I gather I am the person whom you are calling a book worm and has no practical knowledge thats fine I have broad shoulders and can take that LOL 

The 180 Cummins werent fitted until later and I feel it would have been the D line as IH called them or the D series as they were known but the 180 Cummins was available for the R 190 series earlier than that I suspect
the 392 wasnt around until the D Line
All of this is not set in stone either as there is some D line trucks the have the 185 V8 Cummins from new and as you and your friend allude to just because the books dont say it is a certain way doesnt mean it wasnt so I guess unless any of us have the factory build sheets we will never really know

Good looking AB Bill looks like it has Bairnsdale on the door nice little Gippsland town and its on Interstate plates so would have run around the coast road to Sydney I guess 

Paul



 

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I have very little knowledge on these trucks and I get my info from a mate who worked on them for decades not from a book worm who knows nothing about practical knowledge.  
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Ok not trying to throw the cat among the pigeons but I uploaded this image a few months ago according to the blurb around this image it was when the AB 180 Diesel ( my term of description not IH's so it isnt the right term)  first came out and this bloke was first to try one in this area 
now because I never really looked before but have since because of questions about the little AB road train one of these trucks is a AB 184 diesel which one none appear to have a step tank and none have the snorkel so maybe not all came out with the step tanks and snorkel and that was a later modification in the production of them
Now I can see the V emblem on the left and the right truck so it makes one of the middle two the diesel truck neither have step tanks and dont look like the have a snorkel either 

Paul

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