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For what its worth I have similar discussions when mentioning Israeli Leyland models, lol, which "do not exist". A lot of the bigger manufacturers who had local factories or assembly plants played the same spec/name game on a local level and this can cause confusion:blink:
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grenfell34 (6/1/2016)

I hope this goes some way to clarifying the topic
because it certainly not as clear cut as the sales brochures would have you believe!!!!




Kirky that is what I have been trying to say and no I dont have a sales brochure never did and no doubt never will I am a farmer and the only information I have is what came out in the IH product manuals were the trucks are listed as well and as I pointed out just because its not listed doesnt mean it wasnt done 
I dont think any AB Inters would have had the the 392 from new as the 392 wasnt sold in any shape or form in Australia at that stage but once again it doesnt mean I am right 
They may well have sold them with the 6354 Perkins as they were fitting them to the ACCO's of the same size as the 182 at that time
180 Cummins was listed as a option several years later in the R 190 etc and not until the D line was it listed as a motor for that style of truck but like the LoadStar and the 6V53 it wasnt until enough private people fitted them that IH made them a factory option
Was it possible to fit a C180 Cummins to a AB 184 from new at IH ???? I dunno I dare say a lot got retro fitted latter on as the 345's and C160 wore out 
And as some people on here like to point out I wasnt around back then or was I ????
I understand a lot of truck manufactures would build what is almost the equivalent of a glider kit in todays world and the purchaser fitted their own engine brand and or choice maybe IH were involved in that type of thing as well and would go a long way to explain a lot of things 

Now Hamish suggested that AB180 had a single speed diff not that I know either way but I dont think they would have enough power for that to be of any use with any amount of weight for such a small motor  but I wouldnt really know 2 speed diffs were pretty much a standard thing from around 5 ton upwards so I dont think a small engined 6 or 7 ton truck would have had the single speed diff 

All good input Kirky thanks 

Paul
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bill I opologise for getting you involved here
paul and Hamish are correct on the 392 gas engine not being available till the c line I didn't have much to do with  them
as for diesel powered ihc trucks in oz well that's a different story!
if you were,nt around back then old ads and sales brochures are a good reference point but
they didn't tell the whole story , prior to the ab series the biggest road truck ihc had here was the  L and theR  190/200
which were built here with the local cab and were all gas burners  mostly 406
if you wanted a diesel ihc after confirming the order would send the new truck to either cummins or detriot
and have the engine of choice fitted, at cummins there was a section devoted to repowers
the Lseries were mostly jbs  and jt and when the r 190 came out we started fittin the new c series
160 , 175 and c180  we even fitted 2 v6 200,s to 2 r200 drill rig trucks    .
 at detriot it was the same deal first the 4/71 and then the v6/53
when the ab series came out  around 1964 the c160 was standard factory fit
but ihc were not adverse to special orders
porter bros Sydney bought 3 ab184.s with c175,s and the r34 o/dtrans
lake boga trans  had several ab184,s with a mix of  c160 / c180,s
and there were countless owner drivers with  c180,s  in 184,s
you could still buy a r190 /200 when the ab series came out but they were no longer locally built
ihc were importing them rhd and tkd from the u.s  with the comfo vision cab and most were c 180 powered
another ihc special order I remember was for 'Flemings food stores'
they wanted 10  acco 1950,s but wouldn't touch those mongrel v8 185,s
so ihc fitted c180,s and 610 r/r
as for the ab182,s I have been told by a old ihc dealer that they were available
with the 392 or special order 6 345  perkadyne
I hope this goes some way to clarifying the topic
because it certainly not as clear cut as the sales brochures would have you believe!!!!


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Bill White (5/31/2016)
I have very little knowledge on these trucks and I get my info from a mate who worked on them for decades not from a book worm who knows nothing about practical knowledge.  
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This truck I would have called a AB180 with a Cummins  until yesterday, but I would have been wrong I never even looked into the correct model names or numbers until yesterday 
In Australia we have a lot of generic names for things and its not until asked that anyone ever really looks any further R model Macks ,SAR KW, AA, AB C line and D line Inters, Butter Box ACCO's , ACCO's, T liner , S line and the list goes on none of those names are correct but we all know what they mean 
I didnt look any further until Hamish and your self were discussing this and thought well I will look and see what the correct models are meant to be called 
No offense was meant I suspect I have failed there by the tone of your post or maybe I am reading that all wrong bit hard tell on the other side of the key board but no offense was meant 

I gather I am the person whom you are calling a book worm and has no practical knowledge thats fine I have broad shoulders and can take that LOL 

The 180 Cummins werent fitted until later and I feel it would have been the D line as IH called them or the D series as they were known but the 180 Cummins was available for the R 190 series earlier than that I suspect
the 392 wasnt around until the D Line
All of this is not set in stone either as there is some D line trucks the have the 185 V8 Cummins from new and as you and your friend allude to just because the books dont say it is a certain way doesnt mean it wasnt so I guess unless any of us have the factory build sheets we will never really know

Good looking AB Bill looks like it has Bairnsdale on the door nice little Gippsland town and its on Interstate plates so would have run around the coast road to Sydney I guess 

Paul



 

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I have very little knowledge on these trucks and I get my info from a mate who worked on them for decades not from a book worm who knows nothing about practical knowledge.  
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Ok not trying to throw the cat among the pigeons but I uploaded this image a few months ago according to the blurb around this image it was when the AB 180 Diesel ( my term of description not IH's so it isnt the right term)  first came out and this bloke was first to try one in this area 
now because I never really looked before but have since because of questions about the little AB road train one of these trucks is a AB 184 diesel which one none appear to have a step tank and none have the snorkel so maybe not all came out with the step tanks and snorkel and that was a later modification in the production of them
Now I can see the V emblem on the left and the right truck so it makes one of the middle two the diesel truck neither have step tanks and dont look like the have a snorkel either 

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according to IH 1964 Australia product catalog or what ever you want to call it your both wrong 

there was no AB 180 they had a AB182 it came with the AGD - 282 six banger 7000 lb front axle and a two speed diff standard from the factory GVM 129cwt (hundred weight) or 14448 pounds for people that dont know what a hundred weight is

AB184 and AB184 diesel both had the same model name and number diesel was written on the diesel one after the letters and numbers

standard and only petrol motor was the 345 V8  177 hp at 4000 rpm or the CF 160 Cummins and it did come standard with 2 60 gallon step tanks or 72 US gallons 
it had GVM of 140 cwt or 15680 pounds
it also came standard with a 2 speed diff 

not trying to start a bun fight but thats what IH in the day advertised 
so I reckon it would make the truck shown a AB 184 with a 345 V8 the 392 didnt come out until the C or D series 

Paul

And a bit more useless information the 392 didnt come out until the D series  
the 6354 Perkins wasnt a option in the AB series or at least it is not listed in anything I have it is however listed in the C series in the C 1820  which is the equivalent of the AB 182
What does all this mean not bugger all really and Im not saying Im correct and you are all wrong but according to the IH company stuff I have thats what it is telling me Im not having a go at anyone just saying it like it reads 

seeya 

Paul

And a bit more useless information the 180 Cummins wasnt fitted according to the IH stuff I have until the D series 

seeya again

Paul



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Bill White (5/31/2016)
Ths is a  AB 180 not a 184,  the 4 stood for the  c160 /c180 powered trucks and was the biggest in the range

difference was  step tanks under the cab- cab mounted higher. heavier springs, f/glass doghouse as the c series came back into the cab

thru a cut out of the firewall f/glass snorkel air intake on rear of passenger side fender

the truck in the pic has a V emblem on the front fender  for the 392 v8 gas engine NOT the 345 !!

Bill

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Little AB model road train in South Australia also used to hook another trailer with a loader on a tractor on it to unload on site 

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That's a V345 V8 powered AB184, I think.



ABD184 was the Cummins C160 powered one, Bill. AB184-V345 rated at 177 h.p. in these Australian trucks-197 h.p. in U.S. BCF182 and Loadstar F1800. Later Aussie C1840 and D1910 had the the 212 h.p. V392, but not the ABs I don't think. AB180 was the series-single speed diff would have been AB180-I would think most sold in N.Z. had the Eaton 16600 or 16802 2 speed and were AB182 models with 148 h.p. AGD282 petrol or ABD182 with Perkins 6.354 diesel. I think AB184s had the Eaton 17810 2 speed.

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Ths is a  AB 180 not a 184,  the 4 stood for the  c160 /c180 powered trucks and was the biggest in the range

difference was  step tanks under the cab- cab mounted higher. heavier springs, f/glass doghouse as the c series came back into the cab

thru a cut out of the firewall f/glass snorkel air intake on rear of passenger side fender

the truck in the pic has a V emblem on the front fender  for the 392 v8 gas engine NOT the 345 !!

Bill

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Little AB model road train in South Australia also used to hook another trailer with a loader on a tractor on it to unload on site 

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That's a V345 V8 powered AB184, I think.




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Hamish I would expect so as you cant see the mushroom snorkel looking thing on the passenger side how would people survive today with so little power and even less brakes LOL

Paul



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